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Old 11-20-2006, 02:09 AM   #1
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HIV is cured by Methylation

Hi U2er's, I missed Bono and U2 in Brisbane but friends told me they rocked, I'm a little too poor.

Anyway I've written about what I believe is the cure for HIV/AIDS at a forum called Physorg.com in the Medicine and Health section, it's entitled this....

HIV is cured by Methylation

I can't post the link so go and look it up, a google search for "AIDS Methylation" will bring it up on your screen.

You may be shocked by some of my stories about women, children and AIDS drugs.

It's nerdy but you'll understand if you look carefully.

Years ago I met a U2 fan who talked to spirit guides, maybe a little mad but she believed Bono was a Deva or old soul if that's a way to describe it, that's why I chose the name.
I think if Bono is going to change the world he needs the right information and I'm providing it at the link.

The cures are much cheaper than AIDS drugs as well.
So please if you have the time cut and paste the link and tell your friends.

And have a lovely day to all...

Stopping off at Deva Station

The rush was over this October
Drinking Clover and far too sober
Staring at walls from this grubby sofa
The sun went quiet
Behind the wars and the riots
Depression and recession
Supermarket lessons
I can only ask from the back of this noisy class
If no one knows then that’s fast past
And this 2 plus 2 I will do for you
Simple solutions and a bloodless coup
Serendipity in a convoluted city
Making the healing easy to do
Got your interest hikes and downright deflation
And I’m stopping off at Deva Station
I set no price if you’re nice
You’re free to think twice
Calming the mind
Setting the Deva device
For all the religions of sacrifice
That offer up others
But shouldn’t be bothered
They see devils as they shut eyes and ears
The challenge my friends is nothing to fear
You’ve been there before if you’re coming back here
I like the place and your face
And being best mates
Still I’m reeling with feelings
Under shaky flaky ceilings
For our minds are tricky and terrible things
Wreaking havoc with the static and logic that swings
At the slightest hint of a merest whim
A bloodless coup is easy to do
And I want to go back and chat with you
About changing people and their divided nations
And stopping them off at my Deva Station
Don’t miss it
Come visit
My dislocation

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Old 11-20-2006, 12:31 PM   #2
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Unfortunately we don't live in vitro where we also can "cure" everything from cancer to alzheimers.
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Old 11-20-2006, 04:52 PM   #3
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Yep, but the data still contradicts everything you believe about HIV and these are the real live children involved in a real live study.

“Eight children had mitochondrial dysfunction. Five, of whom two died, presented with delayed neurological symptoms and three were symptom-free but had severe biological or neurological abnormalities. Four of these children had been exposed to combined zidovudine and lamivudine, and four to zidovudine alone. No child was infected with HIV-1.”
Persistent Mitochondrial Dysfunction and Perinatal Exposure to Antiretroviral Nucleoside Analogues

And these are also unfortunately the AIDS drugs Bono is campaigning to get poured into Afuca and the rest of the world.
I think it's wrong and there are alternatives.

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Ta for the reply
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Deva, do you have any kind of medical background?
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Old 11-20-2006, 05:20 PM   #5
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You left out part of the abstract that said:

INTERPRETATION: Our findings support the hypothesis of a link between mitochondrial dysfunction and the perinatal administration of prophylactic nucleoside analogues. Current recommendations for zidovudine monotherapy should however be maintained. Further assessment of the toxic effects of these drugs is required.

In response to your article from 7 years ago:

Med Wieku Rozwoj. 2003 Oct-Dec;7(4 Pt 1):425-36

Specific interventions to prevent mother-to-child transmission (MTCT) include antiretroviral therapy, elective caesarean section and avoidance of breastfeeding. Rates of MTCT below 1-2% are now achievable in developed country settings. However, although the vast majority of infants born to HIV infected mothers are protected from acquisition of infection, most are exposed to antiretroviral drugs for which there is only limited information on toxicity. Increasing use of complex and potent combinations of antiretroviral drugs in pregnancy, particularly during the period of organogenesis, has raised many questions relating to pregnancy outcome and safety issues for the exposed children, both in the short and longer term. A shorter duration of pregnancy has been reported to be associated with taking protease inhibitors in pregnancy, particularly prolonged and early use, but this has been an inconsistent finding. Risk of congenital abnormalities may be increased with exposure to specific antiretroviral drugs, such as efavirenz, and certain combinations of Pneumonia Pneumocystis Carinii (PCP) prophylaxis and antiretroviral drugs, but there is no evidence of an excess of congenital malformations associated with exposure to zidovudine prophylaxis. Although data from observational studies and follow-up of children enrolled in clinical trials have not shown uninfected, zidovudine-exposed children to be at increased risk of adverse events including cancer in the short- to medium-term, the possibility that they may be at risk of cancer at older ages cannot be excluded. Concerns regarding mitochondrial dysfunction in children with foetal/neonatal exposure to zidovudine have arisen following a report from France of eight uninfected children with mitochondrial dysfunction, of whom two died.However, there is limited additional evidence of clinically evident mitochondrial disease in children exposed to antiretroviral therapy in utero or neonatally, and the absence of any excess mortality in large observational cohort studies of children born to HIV infected women and exposed to antiretroviral drugs is reassuring.


Expert Opin Drug Saf. 2005 Mar;4(2):323-35

Advances in HIV therapy and mother-to-child transmission (MTCT) prophylaxis have led to increasing use of antiretroviral drugs in pregnancy. Highly active antiretroviral therapy in pregnancy has been associated with prematurity, pre-eclampsia and gestational diabetes. Women may be at increased risk of nevirapine-associated hepatotoxicity but whether or not pregnancy is an additional risk is uncertain. Although animal studies suggest a possibility of congenital abnormalities with specific antiretrovirals, such as efavirenz, results from registries and cohort studies do not support an excess of congenital malformations associated with in utero antiretroviral exposure. Concerns regarding the health of uninfected, antiretroviral-exposed children include the potential for cancers, mitochondrial disease and haematological abnormalities. However, the absence of any excess mortality in large observational cohort studies of uninfected, antiretroviral therapy-exposed children born to HIV-infected women is reassuring. Based on current knowledge, the immense benefits of antiretroviral prophylaxis in reducing the risk of MTCT, far outweigh the potential for adverse effects.
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Old 11-21-2006, 12:53 AM   #6
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That's if you still believe HIV is a transmitted retrovirus and I think I showed plenty of problems with HIV/AIDS as a theory at the Physorg site.
Do you really think AZT is OK for women and children for months on end?

I never mentioned Nevirapine and that's a fraud as well.
Poor Bono is being conned.

I don't have a medical background but I get some of these victims talking to me in my email box and I think it's heart breaking what we do to them in the name of our so called science.

Less long study woffle might suffice, that's why I link elsewhere

“The study was suspended because of greater than expected toxicity and changes in nevirapine prescribing information.”
“Within the nevirapine group, 1 subject developed fulminant hepatic failure and died, and another developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome.”
Maternal toxicity with continuous nevirapine in pregnancy: results from PACTG 1022

Do word search for this in Google

nevirapine sJs

and an image search for it

then this

'women azt nevirapine'

That's almost the only HIV/AIDS treatment we have, it's madness

I think Bono doesn’t know

Think I'll go home put on 'All that we can't leave behind' and cry
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Old 11-21-2006, 11:13 AM   #7
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do you seriously believe in this? of course it's not okay to be on drugs for month on, but it's not exactly superhealthy to have HIV, is it?

i don't think someone without medical background should go around claiming all sorts of things that were perceived from the inbox.

to make strong claims like these, you need to have studied.

I don't think Bono knows less than you do.

You're jumping to conclusions using outdated material, and without any respect to the medical aspect.
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I think someone's getting conned, but it's not necisarrily Bono.
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Old 11-21-2006, 07:20 PM   #9
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You have all missed the point, I’ve said that Methylation stops HIV and this can be done safely with the right foods.

“For instance, only a single promoter is required for the replication of HIV; methylation of this DNA, therefore, could effectively shut down the virus.”
Methylation Therapy

"Thus, the HIV LTR appears to be susceptible to transcriptional inactivation by methylation, a process that is proposed to play a modulatory role in viral latency."
Methylation as a modulator of expression of human immunodeficiency virus.

You type in a search for “AZT hypermethylation” and this is why it seems to work.

But Selenium is much safer to use, this is a Selenium compound.

Methylation depends on a chemical called S-Adenosylmethionine
S-Adenosylmethionine and methylation

I didn’t really come here to argue, I wanted you all to look and realise there is something very wrong with HIV drugs and women and children are suffering because of it.
Hundreds of thousands of gay men have already died because they were a con.
You can’t stop me from sticking up for them.

This piece of the study quoted from was untrue.

“Risk of congenital abnormalities may be increased with exposure to specific antiretroviral drugs, such as efavirenz, and certain combinations of Pneumonia Pneumocystis Carinii (PCP) prophylaxis and antiretroviral drugs, but there is no evidence of an excess of congenital malformations associated with exposure to zidovudine prophylaxis.”

This is a study from 1994, we have been pumping these drugs into people for nearly 20 years.

“In a series of 104 cases of intentional or inadvertent use of zidovudine at differing gestations in pregnancy, there were eight spontaneous first trimester abortions, eight therapeutic terminations, and eight cases of fetal abnormality occurring among a total of 88 cases where the pregnancy progressed.”
Zidovudine use in pregnancy: a report on 104 cases and the occurrence of birth defects.

Look up ‘Nightmare on AZT Street’ for the finer details.

These doctors say things like this as if it doesn’t matter.

“Concerns regarding mitochondrial dysfunction in children with foetal/neonatal exposure to zidovudine have arisen following a report from France of eight uninfected children with mitochondrial dysfunction, of whom two died.”

And then they say these things because if they don’t they’ll lose funding and their jobs, this is why I can talk about it and they can’t.

“However, the absence of any excess mortality in large observational cohort studies of uninfected, antiretroviral therapy-exposed children born to HIV-infected women is reassuring. Based on current knowledge, the immense benefits of antiretroviral prophylaxis in reducing the risk of MTCT, far outweigh the potential for adverse effects.”

We are obsessed with killing HIV and don’t care if the drugs kill people.
Now I know a couple of women who have been tagged HIV for around 15 years, they have never taken AIDS drugs and are not sick in any way.
One of them, Kim Bannon is involved in litigation already.
There are people who are alive after 20 years of being so called AIDS victims.
In another 10 years there will be people alive for 30 years.
What will happen is the women who have had their children removed for refusing to administer AIDS drugs will get together and litigate. Children who have watched their siblings die on these drugs will litigate, so will any gays who’ve watched partners be poisoned.

U2 made 60 million dollars just visiting Australia recently, they don’t have to keep going.
What U2 fans have to be ready for is the very likely possibility that the other band members of U2 may find out about what is really happening with so called AIDS treatment and quit.

“U2 front man Bono said Thursday that his band mates had feared his activism would "wipe out" their music and have bristled at his meetings with "uncool" politicians.”
Bono Band Mates Worry About 'Uncool' Pols

I can’t listen to the new album because of this song and so I took the songs I liked off it to listen to.

"Miracle Drug"

I want to trip inside your head
Spend the day there...
To hear the things you haven't said
And see what you might see

I want to hear you when you call
Do you feel anything at all?
I want to see your thoughts take shape
And walk right out

Freedom has a scent
Like the top of a new born baby's head

The songs are in your eyes
I see them when you smile
I've seen enough I'm not giving up
On a miracle drug

Of science and the human heart
There is no limit
There is no failure here sweetheart
Just when you quit...

I am you and you are mine
Love makes nonsense of space
And time...will disappear
Love and logic keep us clear
Reason is on our side, love...

The songs are in your eyes
I see them when you smile
I've seen enough of romantic love
I'd give it up, yeah, I'd give it up
For a miracle, a miracle drug, a miracle drug

God I need your help tonight

Beneath the noise
Below the din
I hear a voice
It's whispering
In science and in medicine
"I was a stranger
You took me in"

The songs are in your eyes
I see them when you smile
I've seen enough of romantic love
I'd give it up, yeah, I'd give it up
For a miracle, miracle drug

Bono would give up his music to help some dodgy drug companies sell their drugs and he needs to be told and if all of you love him you’d educate yourselves and talk about it, don’t try to stick up for the HIV/AIDS empire.
It’s impossible to lecture me because I’ve looked very hard for 8 years and now I’ll say it’s a con.
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I took an entire college course called "AIDS in Africa" and I've never heard of a "cure" for HIV, especially the strains of it suffered by people in Africa and southern Asia.

Of course AZT and Nevirapine aren't exactly safe. Neither is radiation or chemo for cancer treatment, yet thousands of people have to do this every day in order to survive.
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Perhaps you would have a little bit more credability in my eyes if all of those quotes you posed had the references to go along with them. How do we know where they came from? Are you getting them from scientific journals or random websites? Extracting single sentences out of context isn't the best approach to this either. If you're really interested in propagating this stuff, you need a better sales pitch. These ramblings sound like those of a quack.
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Well, we do know that Bono's an idiot who's easily led, right? And he's never ever ever done any research on this. And he believes everything he reads on the Internet.

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Wait a minute, did you say "If you believe that HIV is caused by a retrovirus?"

All the pages I see with "information" about this state that selenium deficiency is a primary cause of HIV, which is fundamentally related to oxidative damage. Selenium depletion is involved in HIV, sure, but selenium supplements can only reduce the symptoms in infected persons without affecting infection or transmission risks.

Now, methylation is involved in cancers (over-methylation supresses the "cancer supressing" genes), but I have been unable to find any credible research linking it to HIV in any way. Methylation-related disorders are fairly well-studied (Lupus, Prader-Willi Syndrome) and don't include HIV.
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I'm not going to pretend to understand what Deva is talking about, but I googled a couple of those quotes above. One is from the Columbia Uni website.

http://www.cumc.columbia.edu/news/fr...v3n2_0005.html

Another is from the National Canter for Biotechnology Information. It's a .gov.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

Deva, are you saying it's better to not take any drugs when diagnosed with AIDS/HIV? Am I following you?
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Oh I hate arguing about this, love you all and I don't think Bono is an idiot, how can he know any of this if the best qualified folk around tell him AIDS drugs are the best way to treat HIV.

I should have waited around and got my quota of posts up because I can't put the links in yet.

Thanks for putting the links in to UberBeaver (funny name)

If you take the titles at the bottom of each quote you'll find them in a google. these here I've added years to so you know when they have been happening.
This is a multibillion dollar enterprise and very hard to litigate against, I think they are using Bono and I know he cares.

“For Sue Threakall, however, whose husband died after taking AZT, a writ served on her behalf last week was more than an attempt to win damages.”
Court Battles Launched Over Anti-AIDS Drug 1994

‘"What it really comes down to here," says Paul Hedlund, the lead attorney on the AZT cases, "is that AZT was sold to us as a bill of goods. The drug not only turned out not to be good, it turned out to be bad. We believe that the manufacturer has known this all along and has tried to deceive everyone, and we think that's really wrong."’
AZT ON TRIAL 1996

‘As 4-year-old Nikolas Emerson ran across the grass in a public park here today, he spun like a top and shrieked with glee. Watching him, his mother, Valerie Emerson, said that Nikolas, who is infected with H.I.V., has never been happier or healthier.
She attributed his good condition to her refusal to treat him with the drug therapy recommended by infectious disease specialists in Maine and Boston as the way to suppress H.I.V. and prevent the infection from progressing to AIDS.
Miss Emerson, who also is infected with H.I.V., and has stopped her own drug therapy, contends that the devastating side effects of the drugs could kill her child.
''I think the medication on the market now will be unheard of in five years,'' Miss Emerson said. ''Why should we be guinea pigs?''’
Boy Is Healthy Without Drug For H.I.V., Mother Says 1998

“A woman is suing the manufacturer and supplier of the anti-HIV/Aids drug, AZT, for nearly R1,5-million. She claims her husband died from taking it, that AZT is highly poisonous and that its risks far outweigh its benefits.
Annet Hayman, 41, a schoolteacher from Ladysmith, KwaZulu Natal, has launched legal action against Glaxo Wellcome on behalf of her young son and herself, for the damage they have suffered as the result of the death of her attorney husband, James, in 1998.”
"Aids drug killed my husband" - woman sues drug manufacturer 2001

“They are unlikely to be told that “AZT is a Genotoxic Transplacental Carcinogen in Animal Models” (Oliverp 1997) nor of the horrifying list of side effects associated with this drug . AZT is a defective replacement for Thymidine, one of the building blocks of DNA, and acts as a random DNA chain terminator in the nucleus or the mitochondria (the cell’s energy regulators). It is particularly damaging when rapid cell division is occurring, such as in a fetus.
Mandatory HIV Testing for US Mothers 2003

“Jacklyn Hoerger's job was to treat children with HIV at a New York children's home.
But nobody had told her that the drugs she was administering were experimental and highly toxic.
"We were told that if they were vomiting, if they lost their ability to walk, if they were having diarrhoea, if they were dying, then all of this was because of their HIV infection."
In fact it was the drugs that were making the children ill and the children had been enrolled on the secret trials without their relatives' or guardians' knowledge.
As Jacklyn would later discover, those who tried to take the children off the drugs risked losing them into care.
The BBC asked the Alliance for Human Research Protection about their view on the drug trials.”
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