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Old 05-24-2007, 05:34 PM   #31
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Very few.


I see no difference. The majority of Christian denominations are doing the same exact thing right now.
I would do a little bit of research. There are many Christians like this. They're not as vocal as the Fred Phelps-stuff, but they're out there showing God's love to everyone, gay or straight.
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I would do a little bit of research. There are many Christians like this. They're not as vocal as the Fred Phelps-stuff, but they're out there showing God's love to everyone, gay or straight.
Yes, I think there are a lot of tolerant Christians. But actual denominations haven't caught up to the individuals.
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What about Methodists, Episcopal and some of the nondenominational churches? I know churches of these denominations, and others, in my community that are very open to having homosexuals in their church and loving them openly.
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What about Methodists, Episcopal and some of the nondenominational churches? I know churches of these denominations, and others, in my community that are very open to having homosexuals in their church and loving them openly.
I grew up Methodist, and they are still firing youth directors, bishops, and staff members that are open. More liberal Episcopal dioceses are pretty tolerant from what I know, but the denomination as a whole, not so much.

Non-denom churches are for the most part usually more tolerant and have open arms. Non-denom churches are for the most part the only type of church I'll set foot into these days.
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Non-denom churches are for the most part usually more tolerant and have open arms. Non-denom churches are for the most part the only type of church I'll set foot into these days.
That's the type of church I attend. I love it.

My point is there are churches tolerant toward homosexuals and even levels of tolerance within denominations regarding homosexuality. Like we heard from the PBS doc on Mormonism, which isn't recognizes as Christian by most mainline Christians, being gay and being in the church is like being in hell, I think the guy said.
And that's the issue of homosexuality. While there may've been churches/Christians who discriminated against African Americans, there were many white churches/Christians fighting for their rights. It wasn't the entire faith getting a "revelation" telling them to basically discriminate.
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There are many Christians who may disagree with it from their perspective, but they do it respectfully and don't stand for discrimination.
This is the big lie.

Anyone that says

"Hate the sin
but love the sinner"

Is a hater
and a bigot.
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Not necessarily. If homosexuality is in fact how people are born, then I can see where you're coming from. However, keep in mind, those who consider homsexuality a sin don't see it this way.

Other than that issue, it does hold true. If someone lies, cheats, steals whatever, you can hate the sin and love the sinner. I do it all the time and people do it to me, too.
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However, keep in mind, those who consider homsexuality a sin don't see it this way.

This is faith sanctioned discrimination.
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Again, not necessarily. It's an opinion or a belief and that doesn't mean all who hold that opinion or belief discriminate. Essential Christian doctorine tells us we're all sinners.
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Again, not necessarily. It's an opinion or a belief and that doesn't mean all who hold that opinion or belief discriminate.
Essential Christian doctorine tells us we're all sinners.
Yes but all other sins have a common sense or social science reason to back it up, except for this one.
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Other than that issue, it does hold true. If someone lies, cheats, steals whatever, you can hate the sin and love the sinner. I do it all the time and people do it to me, too.
I think you know we were talking about homosexuality.


And when people say:

They hate the homosexual sin
but love the homosexual sinner


it makes as much sense as saying

Hate Jewish behavior
but love Jews
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Essential Christian doctorine tells us we're all sinners.
I reject this

the whole sin concept

I do believe in right and wrong behavior
decency and so forth

sin is a weapon used by religious groups

I believe it is just a way of shaming and controlling people

you calling me a sinner,
is as legitimate as a Muslim calling you an infidel
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If someone lies, cheats, steals whatever, you can hate the sin and love the sinner. I do it all the time and people do it to me, too.
If someone steals, call law enforcement.

If someone lies or cheats go tell your mommy or teacher
and stop playing with them.

Why allow yourself to be caught up in hating and name calling (sinner) ?
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It's an opinion or a belief
It's a wrong opinion and a wrong belief.

Why should somebody's opinion that homosexuality is not a trait one is born in be a valid opinion but somebody's opinion that blacks are an inferior and less intelligent race to be bigoted? You could bring up "scientific" data to back you up in both instances and you'd be wrong both times.

Just because somebody believes that the sky is green and that E.T. will be coming home for dinner doesn't make it so.
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Why allow yourself to be caught up in hating and name calling (sinner) ?
Because the giant security camera in the sky still needs informers.
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