History made as gay couple marries in Toronto - Page 8 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 06-24-2003, 04:07 PM   #106
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
sulawesigirl4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Virginia
Posts: 7,416
Local Time: 05:10 PM
But can you be sure that they're not? And which side is better to err upon?
__________________

__________________
"I can't change the world, but I can change the world in me." - Bono

sulawesigirl4 is offline  
Old 06-24-2003, 04:11 PM   #107
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
Michael Griffiths's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Playa Del Carmen, Mexico
Posts: 3,925
Local Time: 10:10 PM
80sU2isBest: I apologize if my above post seemed harsh in tone, but I wanted to streamline your argument. I think I did that correctly, and if you disagree with it, let me know.

Anyway, you now bring up the crux of the issue, I think. There are many studies done on this, and I'm sure it's not the same for each case, but from the friends I've met who are gay and from the people I've heard about, in most cases the person in question claims they have always felt that way, ever since they can remember. And given the social/societal downside of being gay, I would tend to go with that. Even though that's just my opinion, I believe it to be a strong one, based on many factors.
__________________

__________________
Michael Griffiths is offline  
Old 06-24-2003, 04:15 PM   #108
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
80sU2isBest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,970
Local Time: 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Basstrap
I would like for you to support what you are saying biblically, and outside the old testement please
I realize there are mentions of it in the new, but none are explicitly condemning. What about slavery? that is not condemned in the bible...indeed, if anything it is condoned
it's a good thing we strayed from that
Slavery was most certainly not condoned in the Bible. There are two types of servanthood...a slave and a bondervant ( a free person who chose to be a servant)

I have three New Testament passages about homosexuality in mind. But this should not be a thread about that. I entered the discussion to basically say that just because some people think homosexuality is wrong, that doesn't mean we hate or fear homosexuals.
__________________
80sU2isBest is offline  
Old 06-24-2003, 04:20 PM   #109
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Basstrap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 10,726
Local Time: 07:40 PM
fair enough

just know that I know what verses you are talking about and they can be argued both ways. I think it comes down to a matter of interpretation

conservative christians such as yourself see things in a much different way than liberal christians such as myself.

and I agree with the crux of your statement
I believe it is possible you don't hate, fear, or despise homosexuals.
__________________
Basstrap is offline  
Old 06-24-2003, 04:21 PM   #110
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
80sU2isBest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,970
Local Time: 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Michael Griffiths
80sU2isBest: I apologize if my above post seemed harsh in tone, but I wanted to streamline your argument. I think I did that correctly, and if you disagree with it, let me know.
Michael, your post didn't seem harsh to me at all. You and I have had harsh disagreements, but this wasn't one.

But yes, I guess I would have to say that in practice I'd have to agree with your assessment of my opinion. It may not fit everyone's idea of tolerance, but if I think that homosexual sex is wrong, I have to be consistent.
__________________
80sU2isBest is offline  
Old 06-24-2003, 04:22 PM   #111
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
80sU2isBest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,970
Local Time: 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Basstrap
and I agree with the crux of your statement
I believe it is possible you don't hate, fear, or despise homosexuals.
Thanks very much, because it is true.
__________________
80sU2isBest is offline  
Old 06-24-2003, 04:27 PM   #112
The Fly
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Just east of Brunoville..
Posts: 50
Local Time: 11:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 80sU2isBest
I'm not sure that gays are born gay.
This is my view as well.
There is also Romans Chapter 9 to contend with.
I think that is the New Testament and the Apostle Paul wrote it.

Atticus.
__________________
the hand that leads you
is the hand that
will push you away..
Atticus Finch is offline  
Old 06-24-2003, 04:30 PM   #113
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
Michael Griffiths's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Playa Del Carmen, Mexico
Posts: 3,925
Local Time: 10:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Atticus Finch

This is my view as well.
There is also Romans Chapter 9 to contend with.
I think that is the New Testament and the Apostle Paul wrote it.

Atticus.
So you concede that your argument rests on a "maybe"?

As I've said, I've seen great evidence to the contrary and none that states it's never that way (from birth), so I'll continue going with the stronger case.
__________________
Michael Griffiths is offline  
Old 06-24-2003, 04:49 PM   #114
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
80sU2isBest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,970
Local Time: 05:10 PM
Now, that being said, I do wonder why homosexuality has become the "whipping sin" of choice for "religious" people. I don't know why so many people who claim to be Christian hate and beat up homosexuals. Is that how we win people to Christ? No. Is that what Jesus would do? No. In my opinion, the people Christians should be beating up are those jerks who cheat on their wives. Just kidding....maybe...
__________________
80sU2isBest is offline  
Old 06-24-2003, 04:53 PM   #115
Blue Crack Addict
 
nbcrusader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Southern California
Posts: 22,071
Local Time: 02:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 80sU2isBest
Now, that being said, I do wonder why homosexuality has become the "whipping sin" of choice for "religious" people.
It is an ugly way to deflect attention from their own sin. Sin does not have a hierarchy (possible exception for apostasy). Standing before a Holy God is not a time for relativism.
__________________
nbcrusader is offline  
Old 06-24-2003, 04:59 PM   #116
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 24,974
Local Time: 05:10 PM

Please pardon my language, but as long as I live I will never forget those so called "Christians" standing outside the trial of the monsters who killed Matthew Shepard w/ signs that said "God hates fags".

In my humble opinion, if God would EVER hate anyone, it would be people like that - the people who would stand there, in front of his parents no less, and hold signs like that. That is a small minority of Christians, who certainly don't represent true Christianity.
__________________
MrsSpringsteen is offline  
Old 06-24-2003, 05:08 PM   #117
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
80sU2isBest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,970
Local Time: 05:10 PM
MrsSpringsteen, I personally don't see how people who call themselves Christians can act like that. It's a disgrace and a sin against God.
__________________
80sU2isBest is offline  
Old 06-24-2003, 05:21 PM   #118
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 24,974
Local Time: 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 80sU2isBest
I personally don't see how people who call themselves Christians can act like that. It's a disgrace and a sin against God.
I couldn't agree w/ you more. It just upsets me that some people might have an impression of Christians that is based upon the actions of people like that, and I use the term people very loosely.

I can't even consider people like that human

The media gives attention to those people, but when do they ever let the views of other Christians be heard?
__________________
MrsSpringsteen is offline  
Old 06-24-2003, 05:29 PM   #119
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
80sU2isBest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Posts: 4,970
Local Time: 05:10 PM
The media is looking for a "good" story with plenty of conflict.
__________________
80sU2isBest is offline  
Old 06-24-2003, 05:50 PM   #120
ONE
love, blood, life
 
melon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 11,781
Local Time: 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by 80sU2isBest
homophobia...blah blah..

Look, you can't necessarily label people who think homosexuality is wrong as being "homophobic". Phobia means "fear". I'm sure some people are afraid of homosexuality, but many of us just think that it's wrong.

I think getting drunk is a sin...does that make me an "alcophobe"? I think adultery is wrong...does that make me an "adultephobe"?
I think the South is a sin. Does that make me a Confederaphobe?

Melon
__________________

__________________
melon is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:10 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com