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Old 05-23-2006, 05:45 PM   #16
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Any government, any organization for that matter, where there is a large influx of money, will also find an influx of corruption.

The larger problem exists in countries where corruption is a part of the daily practice.
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The larger problem exists in countries where corruption is a part of the daily practice.

which would be Iraq.
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Take a little longer view. South American countries come to mind. Certain Middle Eastern (Egypt) as well.
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Take a little longer view. South American countries come to mind. Certain Middle Eastern (Egypt) as well.

which does nothing to change the level of corruption in Iraq.

if this is where they're starting, where are they going?
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They're probably stuck with corruption. I have my doubts as whether or not it's their worst problem at this point. If security keeps on being the major problem that it is now, God knows what will happen.
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[q]Armed Groups Propel Iraq Toward Chaos

BAGHDAD, Iraq, May 23 — Even in a country beset by murder and death, the 16th Brigade represented a new frontier.

The brigade, a 1,000-man force set up by Iraq's Ministry of Defense in early 2005, was charged with guarding a stretch of oil pipeline that ran through the southern Baghdad neighborhood of Dawra. Heavily armed and lightly supervised, some members of the largely Sunni brigade transformed themselves into a death squad, cooperating with insurgents and executing government collaborators, Iraqi officials say.

"They were killing innocent people, anyone who was affiliated with the government," said Hassan Thuwaini, the director of the Iraqi Oil Ministry's protection force.

Forty-two members of the brigade were arrested in January, according to officials at the Ministry of the Interior and the police department in Dawra.

Since then, Iraqi officials say, individual gunmen have confessed to carrying out dozens of assassinations, including the killing of their own commander, Col. Mohsin Najdi, when he threatened to turn them in.

Some of the men assigned to guard the oil pipeline, the officials say, appear to have maintained links to the major Iraqi insurgent groups. For months, American and Iraqi officials have been trying to track down death squads singling out Sunnis that operated inside the Shiite-led Interior Ministry.

But the 16th Brigade was different. Unlike the others, the 16th Brigade was a Sunni outfit, accused of killing Shiites. And it was not, like the others, part of the Iraqi police or even the Interior Ministry. It was run by another Iraqi ministry altogether.

Such is the country that the new Iraqi leaders who took office Saturday are inheriting. The headlong, American-backed effort to arm tens of thousands of Iraqi soldiers and officers, coupled with a failure to curb a nearly equal number of militia gunmen, has created a galaxy of armed groups, each with its own loyalty and agenda, which are accelerating the country's slide into chaos.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/24/wo...pagewanted=all

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it appears as if this new government, while an achievement for Muslim nation, really amounts to little more than a hill of beans when compared to the challenges the nation faces as a whole especially now as it appears as if various government ministries are gathering private armies for their own defense. most of these challenges are due to the failures of the occupation, and probably the most grevious was Rumsfeld's refusal to provide adequate security after the fall of Baghdad. insecurity leads to self-defense which leads to more insecurity.

there is some hope in the article, mostly that the Shiites have been comparatively tame in their response to sectarian violence than might have been initially expected.

still, it's hard to be hopeful when faced with such staggering cyclical violence.

what would you do? what can be done? i'm looking for positive suggestions -- we have a terrible mess on our hands, what can we do to fix it?
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This is a mess.
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