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Old 03-23-2007, 05:44 PM   #16
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No it isn't, hate crime laws wouldn't have stopped this, it would only make the punishment wrong; what happened was wrong but making a crime commited against another human being somehow worse because of their race or orientation is a form of thought policing.
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Old 03-23-2007, 05:51 PM   #17
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So you don't think hate-crime laws are effective? You're right, perhaps wouldn't have happened. But I think if the government declares the gay community a protected class of citizens, that would encourage more tolerance.
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Old 03-23-2007, 05:54 PM   #18
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Or maybe it would just prove everything that the bigots have been saying all these years and add fuel to the fire. Equal rights is not about special rights.
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Old 03-23-2007, 06:02 PM   #19
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Good point. I do believe that a life is a life is a life. However, I think killing somebody simply because of intolerance for the victim's culture is different than killing somebody for selling beat vials.
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This should have never happened.
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But I think if the government declares the gay community a protected class of citizens, that would encourage more tolerance.
It would also be completely unconstitutional.
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well i don't see how adding one more group to an existing policy is unconstitutional.
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Chart from the article:



Curious what the anti-hetero hate crimes and who committed them were.
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Perhaps the very policy is unconstitutional.
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Perhaps the very policy is unconstitutional.
Is it? I personally don't see how giving a more severe punishment for attacking somebody's identity is infringing on 1st amendment rights.
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I don't know anything about the US constitution but as an issue of individual rights having disproportionate punishment for the same crime on the basis of the type of hatred behind it or some character innate to the victim being proscribed seems very wrong.

Murdering somebody is the ultimate deprivation of liberty and ammount of harm to do to another indiviudal; that in itself should be the crime, discretion may be applicable in sentencing due to circumstance or the viciousness of an attacker and their motive but it shouldn't be codified.
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In the US, several states have hate-crime policies. There isn't a federal hate-crime policy.
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In Canada it would never fly to declare gays a protected group of citizens with different victims rights under criminal law. It would be so blatantly contrary to the Charter.

It goes against basic ideas of equality. I'm against hate crimes because it sets up a duality in the criminal system which I don't really believe has a rational objective.
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Well there shouldn't be, vote libertarian.
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In Canada it would never fly to declare gays a protected group of citizens with different victims rights under criminal law. It would be so blatantly contrary to the Charter.

It goes against basic ideas of equality. I'm against hate crimes because it sets up a duality in the criminal system which I don't really believe has a rational objective.
Fair enough. But it is different here in the US for all sorts of reasons. There were quite a few cross burnings going on, in the United States, which is I think why this policy was created in the first place across different states. This policy was intended to protect people who were being attacked because of their identity/culture/etc.

I don't think hate crimes are unique to other crimes. They are domestic terrorism. It isn't just the one person that is the victim, it is an attack on that entire community that shares that person's identity.
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