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Old 04-30-2008, 12:14 PM   #16
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unfounded disdain does not become you, especially when you're not nearly as informed about US politics as you'd like to fancy yourself. were Iran to nuke Tel Aviv, Switzerland and Ireland would stand and applaud as Tehran were likewise leveled.

HRC's comments are defensible in context, and deep's predictable Obama spin is ... well, predictable.
Well, Switzerland would be neutral as always and quietly be happy about the gold and money lying in their banks which no one is asking for, anymore.
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unfounded disdain does not become you, especially when you're not nearly as informed about US politics as you'd like to fancy yourself. were Iran to nuke Tel Aviv, Switzerland and Ireland would stand and applaud as Tehran were likewise leveled.

HRC's comments are defensible in context, and deep's predictable Obama spin is ... well, predictable.
Just ask yourself....do you honestly think Clinton, Obama and McCain are better candidates than Dennis Kucinch, Ron Paul, Joseph Biden?
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Just ask yourself....do you honestly think Clinton, Obama and McCain are better candidates than Dennis Kucinch, Ron Paul, Joseph Biden?


yes, better than Kucinich and Ron Paul.

Biden i do respect and think that as foreign policy goes, he is the most qualified of all.

but it's a complicated process, and a president is a different figure than a PM.

i'm sorry if i came off a little brusque in my last post. it's been a long and wearisome past few weeks.
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Well, Switzerland would be neutral as always and quietly be happy about the gold and money lying in their banks which no one is asking for, anymore.
I condemn all forms of tax evasion, however this does contradict my point about Switzerland having one of the purest forms of democracy in the globe today.
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I read his post to be a comment on the holocaust, not tax evasion.
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yes, better than Kucinich and Ron Paul.
I would have to respectfully disagree.


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Biden i do respect and think that as foreign policy goes, he is the most qualified of all.

Biden was an excellent candidate. I cannot understand why he was ignored by the media. Possibly not good enough at soundbites.



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i'm sorry if i came off a little brusque in my last post. it's been a long and wearisome past few weeks.
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I would have to respectfully disagree.





Biden was an excellent candidate. I cannot understand why he was ignored by the media. Possibly not good enough at soundbites.





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Thank you, financeguy!! Finally someone else who understands that JOE BIDEN and not any of these clowns should be getting the Democratic nomination. The media, more than in any election ever, picked their candidates a long time out and were stubborn about it. Think of the headlines- a black or a female. Then they finally started covering that trial lawyer snake down there in NC (Edwards maybe) when they absolutely had to. Biden is not only the best on foreign policy, anyone who listened to the debates saw that he had the best, no spin answers on education, the budget, tax cuts, energy, crime and health care. Joe Biden is an incredibly smart, effective and humble public servant who is one of the few "Washington politicians" who has not been corrupted too much by the process.(There is his relationship w/ the credit card industry, but that is necessary for electoral survival in Deleware- Biden wants public financing to address that: why should he unilaterally disarm, so to speak?)

As to Hillary's comment, let me clear a few things up. Deep: just because someone was against the Iraq war does not mean they would not support pre emptive strikes when there is an ACTUAL THREAT! Iraq had none of those weapons, and that was obvious to anyone who paid attention to President Clinton, the inspection process in the 1990s, and the pre-9/11 statements of Condi Rice and Colin Powell. Not to mention the skepticism expresses by many in our military, intelligence and political spheres in the run up to the war. Hillary of course would act should Iran get nuclear weapons, in order to defend the country, as would Obama or McCain. The problem is with this GODDAMN hypothetical Israel statement that the media loves to hit candidates with. Hello, since when do our politicians work for Israel? I know they all think they do, but I suggest they read the Constitution. Seriously, us defending Israel at all costs is the main reason we are in this mess with the Arab world in the first place. If Israel gets attacked, they are a very wealthy, very militarily capable country with far more nuclear weapons than their only regional competitor, Pakistan. THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES. The constant US taxpayer gravy train to Israel is a true scandal.

Is the media clueless? Reports by our own intelligence community have shown that Iran is 10 years away from aquiring a nuclear weapon, at best, and that their program(never far advanced at all) had been shut down since 2003. The pre 2003 program and Iran's current nuclear experimentation is for domestic energy purposes, Cheney and Rumsfeld know this. Let me explain: in 1976, Gerald Ford, sec defense Rumsfeld and chief of staff Cheney were involved in a deal with the Shah to get materials for nuclear energy to Iran because it had been correctly observed that 30 yrs down the road, Iran would no longer be able to cover the cost of domestic energy w/ oil exports. I am not good at math, but that puts us in 2006, right around the time the same Cheney claimed that he had no idea how Iran could be pursuing anything but nuclear weapons. He knew damn well that the shortage he had predicted and the policy he helped create was materializing, but of course, why admit that when you are trying to hold Congress and distract from Iraq? Get informed, people, the same guys have been running things since the 1970s and they have been on both sides of every issue. Thats how you know they are lying to you. Iran poses no threat whatsoever to us, and it serves as a convenient election year distraction for people who have no idea about foreign policy- namely Hillary and Obama.

Finance guy: Thought you might like my paraphrase of Joe Biden's response to the Chris Cuomo Israel question, at a debate a month before the Bhuttos assassination and turmoil in Pakistan. Basically, Biden said that they would not get the weapon for 10 years, that even if they did, they would not stand a chance of attacking Israel or anyone else. Why? Because as soon as it is rolled out onto the ramp, we will use one of our weapons that is working so well in taking out bridges in Iraq to blow up the weapon and the entire facility. Its that easy. Never mind star wars or the like, just take the goddamn eminently detectable nuclear bomb out, threaten them with more if they do not stop their shit. Watch how quick they back down. Remember how quick Khruchev and Castro backed down just with an embargo and threats in the Cuban missile crisis?? Ahmadinejad is just grandstanding trying to gain support with the radical element in Iran, this is nothing more than saber rattling that he does not in the least bit mean. He does not want to actually mess with us, believe me. Then Biden went on to say that, if by striking Iran now because they have supposedly gotten 1 ounce of some nuclear material, we enflame the Arab world even more and the government of Pakistan falls to extremists who get their hands on a fully developed nuclear arsenal, we have made a grave mistake. Which threat is greater, Iran with a little bit of material, or extremists with their fingers on the button of an entire nuclear arsenal in Pakistan? Biden: ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE. Hillary and Obama were completely lost at that point in the debate, no one said anything about Pakistan again until AFTER Bhutto. Goes to show how bad the media and the Democrats screwed up by ignoring Biden. Every single debate, when anyone, Clinton and Obama included, answered a question that Biden had already answered, they just said "I agree with Joe." Seriously, look it up on youtube, they did a commerical on it. I really thought he would do better.
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Thank you, financeguy!! Finally someone else who understands that JOE BIDEN and not any of these clowns should be getting the Democratic nomination. The media, more than in any election ever, picked their candidates a long time out and were stubborn about it. Think of the headlines- a black or a female. Then they finally started covering that trial lawyer snake down there in NC (Edwards maybe) when they absolutely had to. Biden is not only the best on foreign policy, anyone who listened to the debates saw that he had the best, no spin answers on education, the budget, tax cuts, energy, crime and health care. Joe Biden is an incredibly smart, effective and humble public servant who is one of the few "Washington politicians" who has not been corrupted too much by the process.(There is his relationship w/ the credit card industry, but that is necessary for electoral survival in Deleware- Biden wants public financing to address that: why should he unilaterally disarm, so to speak?)

As to Hillary's comment, let me clear a few things up. Deep: just because someone was against the Iraq war does not mean they would not support pre emptive strikes when there is an ACTUAL THREAT! Iraq had none of those weapons, and that was obvious to anyone who paid attention to President Clinton, the inspection process in the 1990s, and the pre-9/11 statements of Condi Rice and Colin Powell. Not to mention the skepticism expresses by many in our military, intelligence and political spheres in the run up to the war. Hillary of course would act should Iran get nuclear weapons, in order to defend the country, as would Obama or McCain. The problem is with this GODDAMN hypothetical Israel statement that the media loves to hit candidates with. Hello, since when do our politicians work for Israel? I know they all think they do, but I suggest they read the Constitution. Seriously, us defending Israel at all costs is the main reason we are in this mess with the Arab world in the first place. If Israel gets attacked, they are a very wealthy, very militarily capable country with far more nuclear weapons than their only regional competitor, Pakistan. THEY CAN TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES. The constant US taxpayer gravy train to Israel is a true scandal.

Is the media clueless? Reports by our own intelligence community have shown that Iran is 10 years away from aquiring a nuclear weapon, at best, and that their program(never far advanced at all) had been shut down since 2003. The pre 2003 program and Iran's current nuclear experimentation is for domestic energy purposes, Cheney and Rumsfeld know this. Let me explain: in 1976, Gerald Ford, sec defense Rumsfeld and chief of staff Cheney were involved in a deal with the Shah to get materials for nuclear energy to Iran because it had been correctly observed that 30 yrs down the road, Iran would no longer be able to cover the cost of domestic energy w/ oil exports. I am not good at math, but that puts us in 2006, right around the time the same Cheney claimed that he had no idea how Iran could be pursuing anything but nuclear weapons. He knew damn well that the shortage he had predicted and the policy he helped create was materializing, but of course, why admit that when you are trying to hold Congress and distract from Iraq? Get informed, people, the same guys have been running things since the 1970s and they have been on both sides of every issue. Thats how you know they are lying to you. Iran poses no threat whatsoever to us, and it serves as a convenient election year distraction for people who have no idea about foreign policy- namely Hillary and Obama.

Finance guy: Thought you might like my paraphrase of Joe Biden's response to the Chris Cuomo Israel question, at a debate a month before the Bhuttos assassination and turmoil in Pakistan. Basically, Biden said that they would not get the weapon for 10 years, that even if they did, they would not stand a chance of attacking Israel or anyone else. Why? Because as soon as it is rolled out onto the ramp, we will use one of our weapons that is working so well in taking out bridges in Iraq to blow up the weapon and the entire facility. Its that easy. Never mind star wars or the like, just take the goddamn eminently detectable nuclear bomb out, threaten them with more if they do not stop their shit. Watch how quick they back down. Remember how quick Khruchev and Castro backed down just with an embargo and threats in the Cuban missile crisis?? Ahmadinejad is just grandstanding trying to gain support with the radical element in Iran, this is nothing more than saber rattling that he does not in the least bit mean. He does not want to actually mess with us, believe me. Then Biden went on to say that, if by striking Iran now because they have supposedly gotten 1 ounce of some nuclear material, we enflame the Arab world even more and the government of Pakistan falls to extremists who get their hands on a fully developed nuclear arsenal, we have made a grave mistake. Which threat is greater, Iran with a little bit of material, or extremists with their fingers on the button of an entire nuclear arsenal in Pakistan? Biden: ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE. Hillary and Obama were completely lost at that point in the debate, no one said anything about Pakistan again until AFTER Bhutto. Goes to show how bad the media and the Democrats screwed up by ignoring Biden. Every single debate, when anyone, Clinton and Obama included, answered a question that Biden had already answered, they just said "I agree with Joe." Seriously, look it up on youtube, they did a commerical on it. I really thought he would do better.
Some very good points here. I agree with you completely.
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