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nathan1977 said:
so ... cats are French and dogs are American?
(i'm a total dog person, btw)
Help! Mom! There are liberals under my bed!
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so ... cats are French and dogs are American?
(i'm a total dog person, btw)
Snowlock
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I love it when liberals forget all about the 1st amendment when it doesn't work to support their own arguments.
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FREE SPEECH! FREE SPEECH! FREE SPEECH! FREE SPEECH!
If someone wants to write, buy, or read this book it's their choice.
It never ceases to amaze me that the same people who rally for less censorship get their underwear up in a knot over something like this.
If the book sucks, then people won't buy it, recomend it, or read it to their children. Instead of condemning art or literature, let the general public determine its worth.
But then again, in the eyes of many people on this forum, anyone who would buy this book is probably too stupid to think for themselves. Better that Amazon refuse to sell it.
If someone wants to write, buy, or read this book it's their choice.
It never ceases to amaze me that the same people who rally for less censorship get their underwear up in a knot over something like this.
If the book sucks, then people won't buy it, recomend it, or read it to their children. Instead of condemning art or literature, let the general public determine its worth.
But then again, in the eyes of many people on this forum, anyone who would buy this book is probably too stupid to think for themselves. Better that Amazon refuse to sell it.
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MaxFisher said:
ugh.
no one is saying they *can't* write the book; we are saying that it speaks volumes about a political ideology that they have childhood indoctrination books about HRC-bomb and Teddy Kennedy stand-ins posing as the monsters under the bed. and it also speaks volumes when people actually go out and buy this tripe -- it tells you, 1) about the polarization of the country, 2) the paranoia of the right, and 3) the contempt that right wing elites have for their base because they know someone's going to buy it.
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That's purely ridiculous. No one in this thread has said that the person who wrote the book should not have been allowed to write it, that the publisher of the book should not have been allowed to print it, or that Amazon should not be allowed to sell it. I support this author's right to spout nonsense as well as the publisher's and Amazon's right to profit from it. As long as a piece of speech, writing, or art isn't intended to directly incite chaos or violence, it's 100% kosher...legally speaking.
Whether or not I, or anyone else, finds it artistically appealing or ethically sound is another matter altogether.
Whether or not I, or anyone else, finds it artistically appealing or ethically sound is another matter altogether.
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Snowlock said:
i love it when conservatives have no idea what the conversation has been about.
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...and Irvine beat me to the punch. 
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Irvine511 said:
Would words fail you if you came across a book entitled, "There's a republican under my bed" or "There's a evangelical christian opposing gay marriage under my bed"?
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Irvine511 said:
So anyone who indoctrinates children about anything is wrong? Or just people who subscribe to a particular worldview? Just trying to figure out what exactly we're finding fault with here...
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One reviewer writes...
"This horrifies me. Is brainwashing children a form of child abuse? I think so, and with that, this book is a bloody mallet. I have flipped this through this dreg and it is not cute, funny or satirical. Anyone who gives this propaganda to their children is as innocent as Stalin, Hitler or Bush. Jr. Of course, if you are purchasing this for your children, you think the same of me. And that's fine. But the larger difference between you and me is that your kids will grow up to hate you. Don't buy this book."
"This horrifies me. Is brainwashing children a form of child abuse? I think so, and with that, this book is a bloody mallet. I have flipped this through this dreg and it is not cute, funny or satirical. Anyone who gives this propaganda to their children is as innocent as Stalin, Hitler or Bush. Jr. Of course, if you are purchasing this for your children, you think the same of me. And that's fine. But the larger difference between you and me is that your kids will grow up to hate you. Don't buy this book."
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It really isn't satire.
Thats what is so scary.
The people reading this and buying this crap are brainwashed simpletons.
Usually living down South.
Trust me.
I work with them. They discuss it at lunch. Constantly.
Thats what is so scary.
The people reading this and buying this crap are brainwashed simpletons.
Usually living down South.
Trust me.
I work with them. They discuss it at lunch. Constantly.
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Re: Re: Help! Mom! There are liberals under my bed!
yes, probably.
MaxFisher said:
yes, probably.
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nathan1977 said:
i think there's a difference between what we typically indoctrinate children with -- perhaps religion, American history, etc. -- versus telling them which contemporary politicans might be lurking under their beds.
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melon said:
i agree.
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I don't know what is funnier: the book or the response to the book in FYM.
"Brainwashed simpletons"
"paranoia of the right"
Historically, many children's stories reflect political throught of the day. The author simply took stories from the news and turned it into a fictional tale. I guess the allegory hits too close to the mark.
"Brainwashed simpletons"
"paranoia of the right"
Historically, many children's stories reflect political throught of the day. The author simply took stories from the news and turned it into a fictional tale. I guess the allegory hits too close to the mark.
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nbcrusader said:
if you went to the book's website, you'd see that the author herself thinks that conservative parents need to protect their children from some sort of onslaught of liberal books that are read to them in kindergarten (i suppose books about sharing are a bit socialist, if not downright communist). hence, paranoia.
the simpleton comment i won't defend.
have you seen the illustrations? there's no mistaking HRC and Ted Kennedy.
it's not imaginative enough to be allegory.
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Irvine511 said:
You sound like one of those evangelicals who won't let their kid read harry potter because they might become a Satanist.
Kids are smart enough to know that harry potter is make believe and a picture of ted keneddy under a bed is make believe as well.
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Irvine511 said:
Irvine511 said:
In too simple posts, you've show this is not a problem about "brainwashing children". It is only bad if the "left" is portrayed in a bad light.
If you want to publish the book "Help Mom! There are conservatives peeking in my window!", I'd chuckle, roll my eyes, and be done with it.
I think the race to be outraged has lost perspective on the important things in life.
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MaxFisher said:
harry potter isn't real. ted kennedy is real.
no, i would never purchase this for a child; but i'm not going to stop someone from purchasing it. i also think the silly people who burn harry potter books are fools at best, but i think they have a right to do so.
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Irvine511 said:
A picture of Ted Kennedy under a child's bed is not real.
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Irvine511 said:
However if you do decide to buy it you are a southern simpleton comparable to Hitler or Stalin whose children will grow up to hate them.
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nbcrusader said:
nope.
your first sentence doesn't make any sense. i could care less if there were a leftist equivalent, and i'd think it just as silly, but notice that there isn't one. why not? and what makes this book a bit different, and more sinister than your attempt to link this with typical children's literature, is the (not very good) caricaturing of contemporary politicans.
this thread isn't about the book, but more about what the book tells us about the author and the republican party. i know it's easier to think that people are outraged at the existence of the book; but if you take a closer look you'll see that most thoughtful posts are centered not around the portrayal of the left, but about how the book is meant to function (regardless of political agenda ... it just so happens that this is a right wing book, and thus, because books are cultural artifacts, it tells us something about the book's intended audience).
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MaxFisher said:
don't put words in my mouth.
you can do better.
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MaxFisher said:
but Ted Kennedy is real.
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Irvine511 said:
Yes, those aren't your words but they are words which other people have used to describe those who buy this book.
By NOT condemning those comments, you support them.
If someone on this forum called you the derogatory term starting with the letter F and I didn't defend you, I would be just as guilty as the person who actually called you the name.
nathan1977
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Irvine511 said:
But Ted Kennedy IS lurking under my bed.
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nathan1977 said:
you should store the booze in the kitchen ... it'll be like a moth to a flame ...
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MaxFisher said:
i don't have the time to go through and personally condemn or condone each and every post. (though i have been smoking waaaay too much blue crack today)
to your point, a slur such as "faggot" would simply draw much more attention, and thus provoke much more of a reaction. however, i haven't heard what might be the equivalent -- "redneck," "cracker," etc. -- but i would object to those terms.
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