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Old 03-01-2007, 02:14 PM   #16
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Well that's my point-it's discrimination in both cases. I can't believe anyone in 2007 would think there would be no repercussions for throwing out a couple of mixed race. But it's within an owner's rights to do that to a gay person?
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Old 03-01-2007, 02:29 PM   #17
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however, what would we say if he threw out a black man kissing a white woman? would that cause any legal repercussions?
shouldn't both situations cause legal repercussions? or am i living in an idealist cloud and frolicking with unicorns? i would think an owner would be in big trouble for throwing out anybody that wasn't breaking any sort of law, assualting somebody, disturbance of peace, etc.
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Old 03-01-2007, 02:39 PM   #18
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actually, i agree.

the owner is an idiot and a bigot, but he's perfectly entitled to run an idiotic and bigoted establishment.
This brings up an interesting question. How can a private establishment get away with discriminating their clientel, but not their employees?
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This brings up an interesting question. How can a private establishment get away with discriminating their clientel, but not their employees?
Aren't employee rights usually more well defined in legislation through labour codes and employment standards?

With clients/customers, it's more aribitrary, isn't it? Private businesses discriminate based on other criteria all the time: "no shoes, no shirt...noooo dice." Or whatever. Not to mention all those snooty private golf clubs.

But, yeah, i don't think they can discriminate based on criteria that goes against state or federal statute, which, i hope, would include racial, religious, gender, etc., protections.
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Aren't employee rights usually more well defined in legislation through labour codes and employment standards?

With clients/customers, it's more aribitrary, isn't it? Private businesses discriminate based on other criteria all the time: "no shoes, no shirt...noooo dice." Or whatever. Not to mention all those snooty private golf clubs.

But, yeah, i don't think they can discriminate based on criteria that goes against state or federal statute, which, i hope, would include racial, religious, gender, etc., protections.
Well that's what I'm curious about...

Are there set standards to clients like there are with employees?
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Well that's what I'm curious about...

Are there set standards to clients like there are with employees?
I guess it would be a country's/state-jurisdiction's basic equality/human-rights laws.

Like what others are saying in previous posts, the kissing males being kicked out would have a great case (civil court or otherwise), i would think, if they could cite examples of kissing hetero-couples not being kicked out.

Similar to the cases mentioned in this story:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/compan...r-barrel_x.htm
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however, what would we say if he threw out a black man kissing a white woman? would that cause any legal repercussions?
I always think about this when these kinds of cases come up. It wasn't so long ago that my boyfriend and I would have been discriminated against in exactly this manner and people would have called it justifiable (actually, there probably still are places where we might not want to be too "obvious" but thankfully that hasn't been the case so far where we live). It's depressing that the rules of human decency don't extend to everyone.
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Old 03-01-2007, 04:14 PM   #23
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i wonder if 2 women would've been kicked out for kissing.
Bet you a hundred bucks they wouldn't. Actually it would all depend on the women wouldn't it. If they were bulldyke types I bet the guy would of kicked them out - but if they were hot...NO WAY!!!
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i dont like any public displays of affection. holding hands or having a small snog is not a big deal, but really, that's my opinion and it relates only to me. i dont really care if i see two people have sex in public. if they dont care, i'm not going to. i just wont do it myself. i cant bring myself to be bothered by what others do.

i reckon the guy in the suit is having himself on with his permanent loss of ability to enjoy life. sue yes, for discrimination, but not immeasurable claims like this. suing over personal distress is another issue though, and not one i disagree with. i just have trouble agreeing with it at certain times.
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Private businesses discriminate based on other criteria all the time: "no shoes, no shirt...noooo dice." Or whatever.

But, yeah, i don't think they can discriminate based on criteria that goes against state or federal statute, which, i hope, would include racial, religious, gender, etc., protections.

You are correct, Judah. People who go barefoot or don't wear shirts are not a "protected class". However, there are different levels of tests that apply to certain protected classes.

The highest level is called Strict Scrutiny and it is applied to classes such as Race or National Origin. Other classes, such as Sex/Gender or Age, enjoy less protection under the Intermediate Scrutiny test. And still other classes, such as Sexual Orientation, enjoy the least amount of protection under the 3rd test, rational review, which is normally easily overcome.

Most, if not all, of the 50 states have adopted some form of the U.S. Constitution's clauses that deal with Equal Protection.
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I hope the day where two dudes drunkenly making out in a (non-gay) bar goes entirely unnoticed comes real soon.

That's a very good point wondering if they would have been kicked out if they were both ladies.

I'd be willing to bet that two morbidly obese women sharing a kiss would have been told to leave, too.
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This is ridiculous to me. Two gays should be able to kiss in a bar. Where's the harm?
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Would those owners rights extend just for sexual orientation or for other criteria also?
If taken fully then yes; sexual orientation, race, political beliefs, religion etc.

The customer is electing to enter the bar on the proviso that they abide by the owners enforced standards. Does this make this case of violence and discrimination okay - no.
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actually, i agree.

the owner is an idiot and a bigot, but he's perfectly entitled to run an idiotic and bigoted establishment.

however, what would we say if he threw out a black man kissing a white woman? would that cause any legal repercussions?
If the Klan wanted to open bars and enforced such a rule I wouldn't try and and use government mandated discrimination law to stop them. Of course people get a lot more touchy over race - but if we were to be consistent and even handed then that could happen.

Of course if that happened the media attention and picketing would be great.
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If the Klan wanted to open bars and enforced such a rule I wouldn't try and and use government mandated discrimination law to stop them. Of course people get a lot more touchy over race - but if we were to be consistent and even handed then that could happen.

Of course if that happened the media attention and picketing would be great.
I agree. Discrimination in any form is disgusting, but a private business is a private business. Let them be found guilty in the court of public opinion.
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