Heated Confrontation?

[Justin24]

Does the person who created an Iraq war memorial by putting crosses with the names of dead soldier have a right to put the names with out the persmission of the family?

http://www.ktvu.com/video/11203904/index.html?taf=fran


watch the video and then give your answer.

 

[A_Wanderer]

Of course they do.

 

[Justin24]

But the people who put up the memorial should have asked if they could use their sons name.

 

[LyricalDrug]

As far as I know, non-covert U.S. soldiers are government employees, and their identities are public information. As a matter of law, sure they have the right.

As a matter of manners / etiquette, that can be debated forever.

 

[BVS]

There aren't copyrights on names. The family has a right to be upset, but that's about it.

 

[BVS]

But the people who put up the memorial should have asked if they could use their sons name.

You asked if they have a right. Not if they should have asked.

 

[coemgen]

LyricalDrug said it best. They totally have a right to use the name. It's public information.

 

[verte76]

They have the right to use the name, that's public knowledge.

 

[Justin24]

I don't know, I agree with the parent if they don't want their son's name on the cross on the hill next to a freeway, they should abide by what they are asking.

 

[BVS]

I don't know, I agree with the parent if they don't want their son's name on the cross on the hill next to a freeway, they should abide by what they are asking.

On what grounds?

Strictly manners? What about freedom of speech?

 

[Justin24]

If the parents do not want their sons name on the cross then they should remove it in respect to the parent's. Of course there is freedom of speech but like I said if the parents don't want the name on the cross, then remove it.

 

[BVS]

If the parents do not want their sons name on the cross then they should remove it in respect to the parent's. Of course there is freedom of speech but like I said if the parents don't want the name on the cross, then remove it.

For someone who brings up freedom of speech all the time, I'm suprised by your view.

Is your stance on the war playing a part in your decision?

 

[Justin24]

Why are you suprised? If I were a parent who's son or daughter died in a war and they did something like this for a political ploy I would be so angry and asked that my son or daughters name be removed. They have every right to remove the name from the cross and demand that the name does not go back up.

This has nothing to do with my view on the war.

 

[BVS]

Why are you suprised? If I were a parent who's son or daughter died in a war and they did something like this for a political ploy I would be so angry and asked that my son or daughters name be removed. They have every right to remove the name from the cross and demand that the name does not go back up.

No they don't have that right. You are confusing your rights with your wants.

And I'm suprised because you bring up freedom of speech in almost every other thread. Why is freedom of speech tossed to the wind in this case?

 

[Justin24]

So what if someone made a wall with all rape victims and how this needs to stop, is that freedom of speech?

My personal belife is if the parents do not want their sons name on their they should remove it. Why is that hard for some to understand?

 

[BVS]

So what if someone made a wall with all rape victims and how this needs to stop, is that freedom of speech?

My personal belife is if the parents do not want their sons name on their they should remove it. Why is that hard for some to understand?

Names of rape victims aren't public knowledge, that analogy does not work.

Your PERSONAL BELIEF! That's exactly what I trying to get you to admit. This has nothing to do with their rights, this is just your personal feeling. And I understand that, but that wasn't my point.

 

[Justin24]

Names of rape victims aren't public knowledge, that analogy does not work.

Your PERSONAL BELIEF! That's exactly what I trying to get you to admit. This has nothing to do with their rights, this is just your personal feeling. And I understand that, but that wasn't my point.

What about murder victims??? Soldiers died in a brutal way as did civilians?

I agree with what the father said, if they want a proper memorial set it up somewhere else, not along the free way. And still BVS They should have asked the family if they could put their name, if you lost someone in a war (thank god I have not experienced that) would you want their name on something that is for someones personal political agenda?

 

[BVS]

I agree with what the father said, if they want a proper memorial set it up somewhere else, not along the free way. And still BVS They should have asked the family if they could put their name, if you lost someone in a war (thank god I have not experienced that) would you want their name on something that is for someones personal political agenda?

My whole point is that these are your feelings, and I understand that.

But the truth is the man had every right to build the "memorial" the way he did. Why does location matter?

I personally think it sends a strong message to put a name to those who've died over there.

 

[Vincent Vega]

Justin, the thing is that law doesn't always fit what someone personally wants.

This is such a case. People might disagree with putting it on, and I can understand it very well. I personally would also rather they have asked before they put up the names.

But that doesn't matter because it is their legal right to do it.

You asked whether they have the right to do it, and yes, like it or not, it is their right to do so.

 

[Justin24]

Like I said fine put up the memorial but if the parents request the name of their son or daughter be removed, then they should remove it!

This is one reason I hate protest and protestors so much, because they whine for their wants.

Example: During the protests again illegal immigration you see groups of people only concerned about their own race.

 

[BVS]

Like I said fine put up the memorial but if the parents request the name of their son or daughter be removed, then they should remove it!

This is one reason I hate protest and protestors so much, because they whine for their wants.

I'm sorry you hate protest but you are confused. The protestors have this right. The family doesn't.

You are letting your own emotions guide whether freedom of speech should be allowed, that's a dangerous slope.

 

[Vincent Vega]

Ah, aehm.... yes.

 

[Justin24]

I'm sorry you hate protest but you are confused. The protestors have this right. The family doesn't.

You are letting your own emotions guide whether freedom of speech should be allowed, that's a dangerous slope.

I am not confused. How many times must I state that I see no problem with the memorial. If parents wish for their son or daughter to have their names on the cross fine. If not don't put it on the cross. What about muslim soldier who have died, can't they complain that their son or daughter has a cross instead of a half cresent moon?

Why can't they have the crosses and have a sign saying to all the soldier who died in an unjust war??

and I would never participate in a protest because there hipocrytes who support communist socialist organizations such as not in our name.

 

[BVS]

I am not confused. How many times must I state that I see no problem with the memorial. If parents wish for their son or daughter to have their names on the cross fine. If not don't put it on the cross. What about muslim soldier who have died, can't they complain that their son or daughter has a cross instead of a half cresent moon?

Why can't they have the crosses and have a sign saying to all the soldier who died in an unjust war??

Actually I haven't heard you say once that you have no problem with the memorial, just a few post back you said it was inappropriate location.

You are missing the whole point of this thread, which you actually started.

Do they have the right? Yes.
These parents WISH for their son's name not be on there. This is true, but it's only their WISH. Nothing more, just a wish.

That's it.

 

[Justin24]

What about them removing it themselves?

 

[BVS]

and I would never participate in a protest because there hipocrytes who support communist socialist organizations such as not in our name.

 

[BVS]

What about them removing it themselves?

If it's private property, then they have no right.

 

[Justin24]

Well then if it's that memorial disrupts traffic then it can be a hazard.

 

[coemgen]

Justin24, I think you're confusing personal ethics with public law.

Maybe the guy should've removed the name if that's what the parents wanted. The overarching point is he didn't have to according to the law.

 

[Vincent Vega]

Well then if it's that memorial disrupts traffic then it can be a hazard.

If the number of accidents increased and they could show that it was because of the memorial, then they could use legal means to make the owner remove it.

If nothing happens, they can't do anything.