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Irvine511 said:good point.
i also think the country would benefit from a real discussion on abortion.
With the current state of our politcal process, I'm not sure we will ever have a real discussion.
Irvine511 said:good point.
i also think the country would benefit from a real discussion on abortion.
Irvine511 said:
i also think the country would benefit from a real discussion on abortion.
nbcrusader said:
With the current state of our politcal process, I'm not sure we will ever have a real discussion.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats on Monday forced a one-week delay on a vote by the Senate Judiciary Committee on Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito, but the 55-year-old conservative was still expected to be confirmed by the full Republican-led Senate.
nbcrusader said:Democrats force delay on high court nominee vote
Why?
Can't we get on with the business of running the country?
nbcrusader said:
Why?
Can't we get on with the business of running the country?
Bill seeks abortion's end in Ohio
Backers say it could help overturn Roe v. Wade
By Jon Craig
COLUMBUS - A Cincinnati legislator's bill to ban abortion in Ohio drew widespread support here Wednesday from a dozen groups eager to trigger a review of Roe v. Wade by what they see as an increasingly conservative U.S. Supreme Court.
At a Statehouse news conference marking this week's 33rd anniversary of the landmark 1973 decision, opponents called on the Ohio General Assembly to debate a bill banning all abortions.
Introduced nine months ago by Rep. Tom Brinkman, R-Mount Lookout, House Bill 228 would make it a felony to carry out abortions or transport a woman across state lines to have one. It would allow abortions only to save the life of a mother.
Nancy Keenan, president of Naral Pro-Choice America, warned that anti-abortion advocates "are using the states as laboratories" in their efforts to overturn Roe. Indiana, too, is considering a ban on abortions, and other states are adding restrictions to when abortions are allowed.
Mark Harrington, executive director for the Center for Bio-Ethical Reform Midwest, called Brinkman's bill a test case. Anti-abortion groups say that a Supreme Court reshaped by President Bush - with new justices John Roberts and, expected soon, Samuel Alito - will be inclined to overturn Roe.
Sens. Robert Byrd of West Virginia and Tim Johnson of South Dakota, joined Ben Nelson of Nebraska, who had earlier declared his support.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. John Kerry has decided to support a filibuster to block the nomination of Judge Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court, CNN's Congressional Correspondent Ed Henry reported Thursday.
Kerry, in Davos, Switzerland, to attend the World Economic Forum, was marshaling support in phone calls during the day, Henry said.
GOP Sen. Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island also announced that he would vote against Alito's confirmation. Chafee, a self-described "pro-choice, pro-environment, pro-Bill of Rights Republican," is the only member of the Republican Party so far to announce that he will vote against the conservative judge.
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Judge Samuel Alito stands just one step away from a lifetime appointment to the U.S. Supreme Court after a spirited ninth-inning campaign by some Democratic senators to block his nomination fizzled Monday evening.
The final vote on Alito's nomination is now scheduled for Tuesday morning, and, with at least 57 senators on board, approval is virtually assured.
Alito's supporters in the Senate, as expected, cleared the final roadblock Monday when senators, by a vote of 72-25, decided to cut off debate and proceed to a final vote, rebuffing an attempt by a cadre of liberal senators to talk the nomination to death.
nbcrusader said:And they say the GOP envokes fearmongering...
Actually, if Roe is overturned, it would be the best thing for the Democrats since Watergate.
It would energize the party and maybe they could even win offices.
nbcrusader said:Why?
Can't we get on with the business of running the country?
deep said:
history will record
he had the courage to do the right thing
financeguy said:
karls77 said:He was approved by a margin of 58 to 42. I'd really like to see the breakdown of who voted for and against.
Sherry Darling said:NBC, it's only fair to accuse Irvine of fearmongering if he was suggesting something that had not previously happened.
Sherry Darling said:That's besides the point. You're working from a "tit for tat" place here, rather than from an analytical or problem-solving place. Hence no attempt to respond to my point that prohibiting abortion, as evidenced by history, is unlikely to solve that problem.
Irvine511 said:does he remind anyone else of Milhouse?
Irvine511 said:as for Sherry and NBC, there's elements of truth to both. in the terms of the argument/discussion being held here and a reference to how both political parties use fear to motivate the base, i was being flippant, just a bit.
however, comparing terrorism to abortion is way, way incorrect, and the fearmongering used to justify the "war on terror" is far more suspect than the years of evidence of back-alley abortions and their disasterous effects.
besides, not many of us know someone who has been in a terrorist attack. i'm willing to bet that ALL of us know a woman who has had an abortion.
nbcrusader said:
Why is it when the principle applies both ways, we get a "but my side is more important" without any substance to the argument?
And I would suggest that we all have witnessed a terror attack (perhaps even live on television), but few of us actually know someone who has had a "back alley" abortion.
Irvine511 said:
your second statement is probably one only a male could make. and i say that as not only a male, but a male who is not in danger of getting anyone pregnant, ever.