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Old 10-07-2005, 12:36 PM   #16
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And yet people laughed at Bill Clinton when he wanted national healthcare. General Motors has actually been expanding more into Canada, solely because they have national healthcare (and they're all union too, so it isn't a matter of cheap labor). GM spends $3 billion a year on American health costs.

Anyway, national healthcare will come. It's now inevitable, since yuppies now have poor to no health insurance. And when yuppies get mad, laws get changed. When poor people get mad, they're just told to get a real job.

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I think the biggest disgrace in this country is lack of universal healthcare

I don't think it will ever exist, there's too much money to be made by doctors and pharma companies
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Everywhere. But I'm in Canada, so we're socialist.
canada's looking better and better...

health care is such a mess in the U.S. right now, I agree with it being a disgrace
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Old 10-07-2005, 07:52 PM   #19
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would i even be able to be admitted to a hospital without insurance?

if i break my leg or something similar i'm basically bankrupt.



there is so much still wrong with this country.
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would i even be able to be admitted to a hospital without insurance?
Yes.

The government pays a significant portion of healthcare costs.
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Sorry if that looked really arrogant. We've actually got a complicated healthcare system which is not obviously entirely free, nor without it's faults. We actually have large flaws in ours. But we can get help if we need it without going bankrupt, which is the single largest difference between our two countries.

I think someone has explained Medicare before, but it's virtually free for all GP visits, hospital stays up to 30 days (I think - or maybe it is 'new' Australians only this is limited to...not sure) so if you break your leg or need your appendix out, no worries. Little Johnny pays.
Medication is tiered in this country. Under Medicare, no medication is really subsidised. We have another healthcare option for low income earners or the disabled, etc. They get a card which gives them prescriptions at $3.80 regardless, pretty much. For those who earn outside the bracket, they then have 2 choices. Suck it up and pay for the premium drugs or if it is available, pay for a 'no-name' brand at a greatly reduced price for the same thing. (In response to what Mrs S said about pharma co's making too much money, we'd have the same problem, but there are some willing to sell cheaper alternatives to undercut opposition. It's almost an open market in their industry as well.)
Specialists are then another kettle of fish. You cannot see a specialist without a referral. This is to prevent self diagnosis and to encourage a GP to be monitoring your health and to direct you as needed, not because you decide. Specialists rarely come under medicare these days, but a few remain. I have a nephrologist who sees me for free. I just have to put up with his infantile sense of humour as a trade-off. My endo on the other hand, is subsidised by medicare but I pay him say $90 a consultation and get about $60 back from medicare. It varies, the profit margin is dictated by a few things.
Then we have this complicated cesspool of immorality on the private healthcare system. A bunch of board members who dont give a flying fig about yours or anyone's health, and run their businesses in a mirrored image of America's overall healthcare system. You buy health cover from these vultures like you would for your car, I suppose. I refuse to get any, not because I dont want to pay (though I freely and strongly object to them), but because the packages are preset and dont allow for idividual needs.
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Old 10-07-2005, 08:36 PM   #22
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Yes.

The government pays a significant portion of healthcare costs.
But the "present" you'll get in return is the hospital reporting you to the collection agencies and having your credit ruined. All because you don't have health insurance.

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Yes.

The government pays a significant portion of healthcare costs.
Did you read the thread someone had in Confessionals recently on a relatively straight forward procedure which cost her (him?) tens of thousands?

Would someone mind giving a brief rundown of how exactly your healthcare works? Might be easier than getting half a picture from specific questions and scenarios.
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Old 10-07-2005, 08:46 PM   #24
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would i even be able to be admitted to a hospital without insurance?

Depends on the hospital. If it's a public hospital, yeah, but if it's a private hospital, don't get your hopes up. I do think most hospitals are requit=red to at least stabilize you if you are seriously injured or ill, even if they are private. Of course you will then be shipped off to a public hospital asap. And sometimes it's tough to tell what is private and what is public. (at least that's the case where I live)
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Did you read the thread someone had in Confessionals recently on a relatively straight forward procedure which cost her (him?) tens of thousands?

Would someone mind giving a brief rundown of how exactly your healthcare works? Might be easier than getting half a picture from specific questions and scenarios.
I remember that....it was for a basic apendectomy and cost them $40000.

I live in the US and I barely understand how our health care system works....all I know is to avoid health care at all costs (literally)!!!
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