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Old 11-02-2001, 04:55 PM   #1
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have they gone too far?

For those of you in the US who have seen the most recent Victoria Secret ads on tv...do you think they've gone too far?

I'm a pretty liberal guy....I like my women, but those ads look like soft porn movies you see on skinemax or showtime late night. It blows me away that they actually made these ads, and that companies are willing to sell ad time to air them. I don't have a problem with scantily clad women prancing around for a victoria secret ad, but I think the context of the ad makes it too cheap. They should be a bit more classy imo.



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Old 11-02-2001, 05:31 PM   #2
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I think they've gone too far. It's bad for women (who are "objectified"), teenage girls (who feel they must look like that, or they are "ugly") and for men (who try to keep away from temptation to lust, because these commercials come on without warning)
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Old 11-02-2001, 05:43 PM   #3
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Havent seen 'em...Wouldnt star in anything like that though, despite my reputation.
I dont understand why women would want to do stuff like that, unless you truly are desperate for money.
Maybe they think that there are tons of inteligent,kind, and great looking men that are out there watching them, but they forget about the idiots, the criminals, the losers,a nd the hideous types that are out there too.
Its just pointless. But then, i hate most commercials these days,lol. Too stupid for my tastes.
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Old 11-02-2001, 05:44 PM   #4
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Lighten up, guys. They're just commercials, and from what I've heard from my guy friends, they've done exactly what they're supposed to- gotten tons of men to want to by Vicky's merchandise for the holidays. Sure they're a little risque', but sex sells, and until our culture is driven by something else, commercials like these will continue to be made.

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Hmm, sounds like a MTV program.
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OMG I saw what I think was the newest one Monday while I was watching "Boston Public"

I was TRAUMATIZED. It was like "my BROTHERS will see this. My FATHER will see this...random MEN on the street will see this!" Now I'm only 17 but the whole idea of it all is REALLY discomforting. Is that a word?

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Old 11-02-2001, 08:11 PM   #7
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Damn, I don't watch that much TV, but hell! I need to start doing it more to catch this mythical ad!
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What happens in the ad?

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Yeah I saw one of the newest commercials and thought they had, ummm, gotten closer to the boundary. It's just non-stop flashes of cleavage. Yeah sex sells and everything but I think portraying their product in this way does more bad than good. Psychologically speaking... as in what image people feel they have to uphold etc.
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Old 11-03-2001, 12:19 AM   #10
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If a Baptist minister were on here complaining about the ads, people would be complaining about "censorship" and calling him a nazi.

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Old 11-03-2001, 04:52 AM   #11
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it's about time they start desensatising people to sex. better than being already desensetised to violence.
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Cannibalistic Artist, are you serious?
It's about time "they" start desensitizing people to sex?? Well I would disagree with the idea that we need to be "desensitized" to sex, but we needn't argue about that, because that is not what this ad is doing. I don't know about you, but the last time I had sex, it didn't look like that. These ads are about illusion, these women look "even better than the real thing", it's an impossible ideal that puts images into people's heads, both men and women, that are entirely unrealistic. I think that's harmful. I'm not saying everything unrealistic is harmful, but things like this have a tendency to make men say "I wish my wife looked like that" and women say "I need to try and look like that" and that seems to result in unhealthy things very often.
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HEY! I have an idea. Show those ads to osama bin laden and his brainwashed drones. That'll put an end to them!

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Originally posted by WildHonee:
OMG I saw what I think was the newest one Monday while I was watching "Boston Public"

I was TRAUMATIZED. It was like "my BROTHERS will see this. My FATHER will see this...random MEN on the street will see this!" Now I'm only 17 but the whole idea of it all is REALLY discomforting. Is that a word?

You can't be serious. Traumatized??

So what about those Herbal Essences commercials? Those actually simulate orgasms, so that must make you scream in anguish.

Here's a little tip for you. Your brothers, your father, and random men on the street will have/have had so-called "impure" thoughts regardless of what commercials are on TV.

Is that what things are coming to? That some flaunting of sexuality actually traumatizes people? Why is any degree of obvious sexuality regarded as dirty in this culture? It's little wonder teenagers with raging hormones are so confused, we tell them that feeling sexy and seductive is wrong and sinful.

Come on now, people, I think we're overreacting just a bit. What does Victoria's Secret sell? Lingerie, undergarments, perfumes, lotions, etc - things that are supposed to make a woman feel sexy. And lets face it, things that are intended to get a reaction out of the opposite sex, as well. So it's not your tidy, safe little company that isn't going to offend people who have become so blinded by uber-morality and religious dogma that they think any sexuality is inherently wrong and dirty. You shouldn't be ashamed to feel sexy, and that's the message Victoria's Secret has been pushing for quite some time. Now maybe they push the envelope a little bit, but is that so bad? It's a little suggestive, yes, but then again, so are their products. Why make something that goes under clothing look so good, anyway? Oh yes, because it's supposed to make you feel sexy.

The idea of sex and sexuality has been vilified long enough. I think it's time for some people to move past the Puritan view that sex and sexuality is inherently dirty and shouldn't be fun or enjoyable. Maybe if we didn't make such a big deal out of it, people wouldn't think so much of something as silly as a suggestive TV commercial.

And as far as the commercials being bad for men who are trying to resist temptation, if you can't watch that commercial without falling into a fit of lust, then I really think you've got more things to worry about than what's on TV.
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Cannibalistic Artist, are you serious?
It's about time "they" start desensitizing people to sex?? Well I would disagree with the idea that we need to be "desensitized" to sex, but we needn't argue about that, because that is not what this ad is doing. I don't know about you, but the last time I had sex, it didn't look like that. These ads are about illusion, these women look "even better than the real thing", it's an impossible ideal that puts images into people's heads, both men and women, that are entirely unrealistic. I think that's harmful. I'm not saying everything unrealistic is harmful, but things like this have a tendency to make men say "I wish my wife looked like that" and women say "I need to try and look like that" and that seems to result in unhealthy things very often.
well i agree with you on your point about portraying the women as being better than the real thing, and unrealistic, but i would have to stick to my belief with the desensetizing to sex bit, even though i was exaggerating. have you seen what european ads are like? people there seem to have no problem with full frontal nudity on public television, their entire view of sex is completely different, but they do object to senseless violence. people here in the US do the exact opposite, and i don't know about you, but i like to make love not war
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