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Old 07-27-2006, 12:41 AM   #1
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Has Hollywood Gone Too Far With DVD Control?

Recently, a judge in Colorado has ordered Clean Films to stop selling and renting edited DVDs.

Clean Films is an online company that edits and rents and sells DVDs. I do not know how the renting process works, as I have never rented from them. However, I have ordered a clean file edit from them, so I can tell you how it works.

When you order an edited DVD from them, you are buying the retail version of the film. On top of that, you are paying them a small service fee to edit out the bad language and other objectionable content (gory violence, sex scenes, etc.). They would then send you the edited DVD and the original DVD in its original retail packaging. However, they disable the original DVD so that you are not getting too copies.

Hollywood has been fighting Clean Films and this kind of company for years. Hollywood producers and directors maintain that by editing the movies, the company is altering the film significantly enough that it no longer stays true to the directors'/producers' visions.

The companies say that they are simply providing a service so that families can enjoy certain movies without having to worry about the kids seeing/hearing objectionable content.

What is your take on this?

Personally, I side with Clean Films. I bought the 2005 version of King Kong from them because I didn't want to hear the frequent use of the Lord's name in vain.

I think that Hollywood just wants undue control over their product. They want you to see it just the way they created it, and no way else.

Not only are they hurting families who want to see the film without being offended, but they are actually even hurting themselves. They are turning away good money, which I just don't understand. There are people out there who won't buy certain movies because of objectionable content, but will if they can get someone to edit that out for them.

With music CDs, you are legally entitled to make one backup copy for yourself, in case you lose the CD or damage it.

I think the DVD industry is rather greedy. With the newer DVDs having copy protection, you can't make a backup copy.
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Re: Has Hollywood Gone Too Far With DVD Control?

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Hollywood producers and directors maintain that by editing the movies, the company is altering the film significantly enough that it no longer stays true to the directors'/producers' visions.

Absolutely!!! 100% If the owners or writers or whatever don't approve, then it's against the law.

If someone went and edited one of my songs without my permission, I'd be furious.

I was asked recently to edit one of my songs, not for content, but length. The producer of this indie film(still up in the air) suggested an edit. I said no way for it completely lost its reason for me. We later settled on another edit.

But I would never in my life settle for someone else's edit without consent.

I'm sorry if this sounds mean, but if you don't want to hear certain words then go and watch Kirk Cameron films. Art often times imitates life, and that's how it is.

If you want to watch controled art then watch those certain films and listen to those certain songs.

But don't censor mine or anyone else's art!!!
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Re: Has Hollywood Gone Too Far With DVD Control?

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Recently, a judge in Colorado has ordered Clean Films to stop selling and renting edited DVDs.

Clean Films is an online company that edits and rents and sells DVDs. I do not know how the renting process works, as I have never rented from them. However, I have ordered a clean file edit from them, so I can tell you how it works.

When you order an edited DVD from them, you are buying the retail version of the film. On top of that, you are paying them a small service fee to edit out the bad language and other objectionable content (gory violence, sex scenes, etc.). They would then send you the edited DVD and the original DVD in its original retail packaging. However, they disable the original DVD so that you are not getting too copies.

Hollywood has been fighting Clean Films and this kind of company for years. Hollywood producers and directors maintain that by editing the movies, the company is altering the film significantly enough that it no longer stays true to the directors'/producers' visions.

The companies say that they are simply providing a service so that families can enjoy certain movies without having to worry about the kids seeing/hearing objectionable content.

What is your take on this?

Personally, I side with Clean Films. I bought the 2005 version of King Kong from them because I didn't want to hear the frequent use of the Lord's name in vain.

I think that Hollywood just wants undue control over their product. They want you to see it just the way they created it, and no way else.

Not only are they hurting families who want to see the film without being offended, but they are actually even hurting themselves. They are turning away good money, which I just don't understand. There are people out there who won't buy certain movies because of objectionable content, but will if they can get someone to edit that out for them.

With music CDs, you are legally entitled to make one backup copy for yourself, in case you lose the CD or damage it.

I think the DVD industry is rather greedy. With the newer DVDs having copy protection, you can't make a backup copy.
i have heard this question before
and my answer has always been

the director (artist) should be respected
and art should not be changed without permission

but. 80s after reading your post
i have changed my mind.

i can understand that you would want to enjoy the new King Kong movie and not be offended

the studios do alter their art for selected audiences
air lines have edited prints for their in-flight movies.

they also edit for commercial tv
and cable, bravo butchers movies

perhaps they will create a dvd player that is programmable to skip the scenes that the viewer does not want to see

bvs, your situation is different
you own the licensing of your music and have control over your edit, as you should
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Yes, deep's point exactly. Exactly what 80's is describing is done for films for things like airline use.

Permission and approval are the key though. There ARE directors etc who refuse airline edits, and that's well within their rights. However 99% do approve it. I'd be interested to read more about the case, see if Clean Films are going about this the right way in regards to permission and approval or if they were going into the case basically demanding they do their thing their own way, and the creator/copyright owners rights be damned. 80's, got any links?
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BVS,
I too am a songwriter. To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't care if someone who owned a legal copy of my song made a remixed version, as long as he didn't play it publicly over a PA system or sell it or give it to someone else. I really wouldn't.

I think that Hollywood is reaching for a an unprecedented level of control here. Not only do they want to control the version that is sold (which they should be able to do), but they also want to control how you view it.

As far as "censorship" is concerned, I think that the anti-censorship cause has gone too far when people are unwillingly to let people censor what they themselves do not want to hear/see. I'm talking self-censorship here, which affects no one else. I'm not forcing anyone else to watch King Kong without those bad words; I just choose to do so myself.

I shouldn't have to worry about hearing cursing when watching King Kong or Batman, for crying out loud.
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Yes, deep's point exactly. Exactly what 80's is describing is done for films for things like airline use.

Permission and approval are the key though. There ARE directors etc who refuse airline edits, and that's well within their rights. However 99% do approve it. I'd be interested to read more about the case, see if Clean Films are going about this the right way in regards to permission and approval or if they were going into the case basically demanding they do their thing their own way, and the creator/copyright owners rights be damned. 80's, got any links?
The web site is www.cleanfilms.com. Maybe the info you seek can be found in the FAQ section.

Updated: Click the Legal link at the bottom of the page, and it provides PDFS of the legal documents filed.
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Re: Re: Has Hollywood Gone Too Far With DVD Control?

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ibut. 80s after reading your post
i have changed my mind.

i can understand that you would want to enjoy the new King Kong movie and not be offended
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BVS,
Let's imagine you have a favorite photographer. He releases a big book full of his photos, and you buy a copy. Now let's imagine that one of the photos just bugs the crud out of you to the extent that you don't even want to see the photo while flipping through the pages.

Do you think that you should not be allowed to rip that photo out of your book and throw it away?
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They way I see it, there are folk who wish to watch movies without bad language, violence, sex scenes or whatever. Companies cash in on that demographic as do the the studios who produce movies of, for example, soppy romances for the demographic who lap that up. By releasing movies with enough classification warnings to reproduce the entire alphabet, the studios are limiting (granted, not by much) the audience who will want to see the movie. Clean Film are doing them a favour if anything, by expanding the potential audience. Everyone wins. I dont see how removing language can alter a movie so drastically that is impinging on some artistic vision. With violence and sex scenes, if the movie is so reliant on them then chances are the people who wish to view an edited version are not going to be too interested anyway and no one is losing out.

I cant see why anyone can complain about this.
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Yes, deep's point exactly. Exactly what 80's is describing is done for films for things like airline use.

Permission and approval are the key though. There ARE directors etc who refuse airline edits, and that's well within their rights. However 99% do approve it. I'd be interested to read more about the case, see if Clean Films are going about this the right way in regards to permission and approval or if they were going into the case basically demanding they do their thing their own way, and the creator/copyright owners rights be damned. 80's, got any links?
That's great, but I doubt 80s and others will want to fly somewhere just so they can watch a family-friendly movie!
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BVS,
Let's imagine you have a favorite photographer. He releases a big book full of his photos, and you buy a copy. Now let's imagine that one of the photos just bugs the crud out of you to the extent that you don't even want to see the photo while flipping through the pages.

Do you think that you should not be allowed to rip that photo out of your book and throw it away?
you've seen my bible?

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That's great, but I doubt 80s and others will want to fly somewhere just so they can watch a family-friendly movie!
No, I'm not suggesting that. I'm saying that if Clean Film are going about it the right way, I see no problem with it and think that the Studios are in the wrong for trying to stop it. IF Clean Film are being obnoxious about the process in some way, then the Studio's might have a case. Just glancing through the legal documents on their website though, I don't think they do. It does sound like Clean Film are doing what they can to do it right by everyone. So my vote goes to Clean Film.
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I agree with their doing it the right way. That's a given.
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If a film's directors and producers give this company permission to edit the film I have no problem with it. If they don't grant such permission, then I do have a problem with it.
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Seems like an abuse of intellectual property.
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