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Old 04-29-2008, 12:00 PM   #46
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I first read this thread today at school and I asked my students 9th and 10th graders--what they thought of the photo. The fact that I felt a little weird showing it to them told me something. . .their reaction told me more. They all felt it was inappropriate.

Obviously there's a lot of "sexy is in the eye of the beholder" going on in this discussion. Some people see an underage sexpot, others see an artistic and tasteful photo. So I can see how it's hard for people to understand how others can NOT see what they see.

But I think there a couple of fairly objective questions that can be asked:

Does she look 15 in the photo?

I would say no, she looks older.

Second, how old are Miley's typical fans? I'd argue they are definitely NOT 15. . .they're much younger. While such a photo might not be a "problem" for 15 years olds (though that too is debateable) it would be a probelm for 8-10 year olds to see such a photo and decide to emulate.

To me the fact that you've got a younger role model for still younger kids, suggests that such a photo is unwise.

On a more subjective note, I do think the photo is inappropriate and does suggest sexuality. I think it was a poor decision for the family to sign off on it. I mean sure Liebovitz thinks it's artistic and in good taste but nudes can also be done artistically and in good taste without suggesting sexuality per se, and are we about to suggest that a completely nude photo of Miley Cyrus would be acceptable as long as it was artistic and in good taste was not "overtly" sexual?


It's not the fact that her back is showing; it's not the fact that she's wearing make-up. It's the whole picture, the come-hither feel of the photo.
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Old 04-29-2008, 12:27 PM   #47
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seriously though... when is it a sexual and when is it a picture of innocence? is it in the eyes of the beholder?

is this sexual?


You make a good point but the problem I have is that Peter Rowan pictured above was not already a famous icon for millions of young adults when that picture was taken. I don’t have a problem with either photo to tell the truth but in her case she is a role model (whether she likes it or not) and unfortunately for her, should be held to a higher standard imo…

I agree that she is technically to young to have known how people would have taken this but both her father and I would hope someone at Vanity Fair should have paused before approving this photo but hey, no press is bad press now is it?

Vanity Fair is going to sell a shit load of magazines and Disney is going to sell a shit load of merchandise because of this, it’s a win-win situation…
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^ and yes, that appears to be a topless picture,
that might appeal to "pedos"



Does she look 15? 1or 14? in this picture.

I don't know when this picture was taken?

but, I'd say she is more appealing, to older men in that picture



Sean, no disrespect, I have told you before how much I respect what you are choosing to do with your life.


But, I am not sure your school children in Saipan, with different backgrounds and cultures are the best gage.

I think if you asked them about many of the things that Miley Cyrus does
they and many people in Asian countries would not approve .
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but, I'd say she is more appealing, to older men in that picture

Why? Because she looks older? By definition, pedophiles are sexually attracted to children.

My 11 year old niece was a huge Hannah Montana fan when she was 9, I'm not so sure about now, but I'll see her next week and I'll ask her about this. She comes from a very conservative family in Richmond and I would say is much less worldly than her cousin who grew up in NYC was at her age. I doubt my NYC-sister and her daughter would have a problem with this; I can guarantee you the Richmond sister and daughter have a problem with it.

It's just creepy enough that I think it crosses a line. It's not a huge big deal, but definitely a gray area.
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Why? Because she looks older? By definition, pedophiles are sexually attracted to children.


It's not a huge big deal, but definitely a gray area.
I really can't get inside the mind of a "pedo"

They might like to park across the street from a pre-school and watch kids play

I think most kids would just say Hannah looks sad, or scary

I do agree it is
not a huge big deal.


but some are trying to make it that
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If Vanessa Hudgens (from High School Musical) survived the scandal of having full-on nude pictures of her all over the internet, I think Miley will survive this.
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^ Now, that fits the definition of "topless" pictures.
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Yep. A good rule for any and everyone: don't take nude pictures of yourself ever ever ever. Just in case.
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Yep. A good rule for any and everyone: don't take nude pictures of yourself ever ever ever. Just in case.
Or make sure you delete them off of your camera phone.


What?
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Yep. A good rule for any and everyone: don't take nude pictures of yourself ever ever ever. Just in case.
there goes half the traffic on the internet
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I had read some headlines about this but not seen any pics till this thread. And my first reaction was "That's it?" From the furore, I was expecting tits hanging out at the least!

To me the shots look pretty tame. And there's a lot of talk here of Britney, Lindsay etc. But for every Britney, you could put forward Jodie Foster and Brooke Shields, who both played prostitutes when they were 12. And they turned out pretty OK. I think most European actresses also have done more publicity shots that would freak the average American, Vanessa Paradis from what I remember did more "sexual" shots at teh same kind of age. I suppose what I'm trying to say is to try not to blow it out of all proportion
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I had read some headlines about this but not seen any pics till this thread. And my first reaction was "That's it?" From the furore, I was expecting tits hanging out at the least!
don't you dare say it is not a "topless" picture
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^ and yes, that appears to be a topless picture,
that might appeal to "pedos"
Wasn't that why the U.S. "Boy" cover was changed, though?



They had their minds in the gutter even back then.
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I subscribe to VF.

I don't really care about this cover one way or another but honestly, what reader of VF wants to know anything about this girl? Very strange target audience, so that leads me to believe they just wanted a shocking photo, since I'm pretty sure 90% of the readership will not care one iota for the article itself.
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At fifteen she does need protection, but she isn't a child. A fifteen year old sleeps with their boyfriend or girlfriend - are we to take that as innocence shattering material or view it as completely normal (I opt for the latter). There is the role model aspect, but if a young girl is getting exploited the burden will rest on the abuser, not the victim or the society at large (in general terms).

Theres this weird vibe that growing up isn't a process, that somehow people are innocent right up until they are "of age" whenever that's supposed to be. I think that the picture is fine, it isn't presenting her as a child and it isn't an indictment of society sexualising children.

From a strictly logical standpoint, you're right.

But the reality is that people never have and never will live guided strictly by logic. The idea that physically mature girls should not be "sexualized" until they reach an arbitrarily chosen age is a societal thing--something that's been established by our time and culture. And as "irrational" as that may be it still can and should carry some weight.

And as I've already stated, the fact that her core audience is prepubescent should have been taken into account when making the decision. I agree with those that have stated that she and her family and agent had their eye on the "bigger" prize of adult "stardom."
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