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Old 08-22-2005, 09:59 PM   #1
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Hagel: Iraq War destablized Middle East, resembles Vietnam

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- A leading Republican senator and decorated Vietnam War veteran said Sunday the Iraq war has destabilized the Mideast and is looking more like the Vietnam conflict a generation ago.

Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel, who received two Purple Hearts and other military honors for his service in Vietnam, reiterated his position that the United States needs to develop a strategy to leave Iraq.

Hagel scoffed at the idea that U.S. troops could be in Iraq four years from now at levels above 100,000, a contingency for which the Pentagon is preparing.

"We should start figuring out how we get out of there," Hagel said on "This Week" on ABC. "But with this understanding, we cannot leave a vacuum that further destabilizes the Middle East. I think our involvement there has destabilized the Middle East. And the longer we stay there, I think the further destabilization will occur."

Hagel said "stay the course" is not a policy. "By any standard, when you analyze 2 1/2 years in Iraq ... we're not winning," he said.

President Bush was preparing separate speeches this week to reaffirm his plan to help Iraq train its security forces while its leaders build a democratic government. In his weekly Saturday radio address, Bush said the fighting there protected Americans at home.

Polls show the public growing more skeptical about Bush's handling of the war.

In Iraq, officials continued to craft a new constitution in the face of a Monday night deadline for parliamentary approval. They missed the initial deadline last week.

Other Republican senators appearing on Sunday news shows advocated remaining in Iraq until the mission set by Bush is completed, but they also noted that the public is becoming more and more concerned and needs to be reassured.

Sen. George Allen, R-Virginia, disagreed that the U.S. is losing in Iraq. He said a constitution guaranteeing basic freedoms would provide a rallying point for Iraqis.

"I think this is a very crucial time for the future of Iraq," said Allen, also on ABC. "The terrorists don't have anything to win the hearts and minds of the people of Iraq. All they care to do is disrupt."

Hagel, who was among those who advocated sending two to three times as many troops to Iraq when the war began in March 2003, said a stronger military presence by the U.S. is not the solution today.

"We're past that stage now because now we are locked into a bogged-down problem not unsimilar, dissimilar to where we were in Vietnam," Hagel said. "The longer we stay, the more problems we're going to have."

Allen said that unlike the communist-guided North Vietnamese who fought the U.S., the insurgents in Iraq have no guiding political philosophy or organization. Still, Hagel argued, the similarities are growing.

"What I think the White House does not yet understand -- and some of my colleagues -- the dam has broke on this policy," Hagel said. "The longer we stay there, the more similarities (to Vietnam) are going to come together."

The Army's top general, Gen. Peter Schoomaker, said Saturday in an interview with The Associated Press that the Army is planning for the possibility of keeping the current number of soldiers in Iraq -- well over 100,000 -- for four more years as part of preparations for a worst-case scenario.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican, said U.S. security is tied to success in Iraq, and he counseled people to be patient.

"The worst-case scenario is not staying four years. The worst-case scenario is leaving a dysfunctional, repressive government behind that becomes part of the problem in the war on terror and not the solution," Graham said on "Fox News Sunday."

Allen said the military would be strained at such levels in four years yet could handle that difficult assignment. Hagel described the Army contingency plan as "complete folly."

"I don't know where he's going to get these troops," Hagel said. "There won't be any National Guard left ... no Army Reserve left ... there is no way America is going to have 100,000 troops in Iraq, nor should it, in four years."

Hagel added: "It would bog us down, it would further destabilize the Middle East, it would give Iran more influence, it would hurt Israel, it would put our allies over there in Saudi Arabia and Jordan in a terrible position. It won't be four years. We need to be out."

Sen. Trent Lott, R-Mississippi, said the U.S. is winning in Iraq but has "a way to go" before it meets its goals there. Meanwhile, more needs to be done to lay out the strategy, Lott said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I do think we, the president, all of us need to do a better job, do more," Lott said, by telling people "why we have made this commitment, what is being done now, what we do expect in the process and, yes, why it's going to take more time."


It seems like lots of Republican have been coming out and criticizing the war. Now a Vietnam vet compares it to Vietnam. NOT GOOD.
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The man is absolutely correct. It's a quagmire. You can't stay because people are dying for no reason every day, but you can't leave because it will cause even bigger problems.

It's starting to get disturbing that even Republicans, who were so staunchly supportive of the war beforehand, are now starting to come out against it.
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come on guys, Iraq is NOT vietnam.

it's America, circa 1784!!!

it is.

no, it is.

really.

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:: starts stopwatch to count down the seconds until Hagel is Swift Boated ::
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Good for him for having the integrity to speak out

Bush will be out of office before things ever change in Iraq. Unless he starts to panic about his legacy, well it will just be up to the next President to clean up the mess
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Sen. Hagel is a republican that I have always respected.
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Re: Hagel: Iraq War destablized Middle East, resembles Vietnam

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It seems like lots of Republican have been coming out and criticizing the war. Now a Vietnam vet compares it to Vietnam. NOT GOOD.
Senator Chuck Hagel is a Republican senator with a career that is litered with attacking and criticizing nearly every military action the United States has been involved in since he joined the Senate. He is essentially Pat Buchanan light.

Senator Chuck Hagel at the start of the Kosovo war stated that the United States needed to immediately withdraw from that conflict or face a Nuclear War with Russia.

He claims the United States should have gone into Iraq with 3 times as many troops, yet does not realize that would have required mobilizing nearly every National Guard Unit, and then there would be no way to rotate such a large force for breaks in and out of the theater because there simply would be no units to replace them.

The Army can easily maintain a force of over 100,000 in Iraq indefinitely given the current force structure now which is actually expanding. The active Army is currently expanding from 33 combat Brigades to 48 combat brigades.

As far as using the National Guard, by 2007, only one National Guard Brigade out of 39 will be spending that year on deployment in Iraq under current Army plans.

Making claims that the Kosovo war would lead to World War III with the Russians as well as other claims above clearly show that Hagel has poor judgement on these matters and is often ignorant of the facts.
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Re: Re: Hagel: Iraq War destablized Middle East, resembles Vietnam

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Senator Chuck Hagel is a Republican senator with a career that is litered with attacking and criticizing nearly every military action the United States has been involved in since he joined the Senate. He is essentially Pat Buchanan light.

Senator Chuck Hagel at the start of the Kosovo war stated that the United States needed to immediately withdraw from that conflict or face a Nuclear War with Russia.

He claims the United States should have gone into Iraq with 3 times as many troops, yet does not realize that would have required mobilizing nearly every National Guard Unit, and then there would be no way to rotate such a large force for breaks in and out of the theater because there simply would be no units to replace them.

The Army can easily maintain a force of over 100,000 in Iraq indefinitely given the current force structure now which is actually expanding. The active Army is currently expanding from 33 combat Brigades to 48 combat brigades.

As far as using the National Guard, by 2007, only one National Guard Brigade out of 39 will be spending that year on deployment in Iraq under current Army plans.

Making claims that the Kosovo war would lead to World War III with the Russians as well as other claims above clearly show that Hagel has poor judgement on these matters and is often ignorant of the facts.

Eh...doesn't change the fact that another member of the Grand Ole Party is seeing that the Iraq war is a quagmire.

It's gonna be hard to refute the credibility of EVERY SINGLE Republican that speaks out against the war.
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Ahhh yes...the new liberal mantra

Now if it were a sex act...I'd be all into it.....according to Mrs. Springer....
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