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Old 05-27-2006, 10:03 PM   #1
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Witnesses to the slaying of 24 Iraqi civilians by U.S. Marines in the western town of Haditha say the Americans shot men, women and children at close range in retaliation for the death of a Marine lance corporal in a roadside bombing.

Aws Fahmi, a Haditha resident who said he watched and listened from his home as Marines went from house to house killing members of three families, recalled hearing his neighbor across the street, Younis Salim Khafif, plead in English for his life and the lives of his family members. "I heard Younis speaking to the Americans, saying: 'I am a friend. I am good,' " Fahmi said. "But they killed him, and his wife and daughters."

The 24 Iraqi civilians killed on Nov. 19 included children and the women who were trying to shield them, witnesses told a Washington Post special correspondent in Haditha this week and U.S. investigators said in Washington. The girls killed inside Khafif's house were ages 14, 10, 5, 3 and 1, according to death certificates.

Two U.S. military boards are investigating the incident as potentially the gravest violation of the law of war by U.S. forces in the three-year-old conflict in Iraq. The U.S. military ordered the probes after Time magazine presented military officials in Baghdad this year with the findings of its own investigation, based on accounts of survivors and on a videotape shot by an Iraqi journalism student at Haditha's hospital and inside victims' houses.

An investigation by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service into the killings and a separate military probe into an alleged coverup are slated to end in the next few weeks. Marines have briefed members of the Senate Armed Services Committee and other officials on the findings; some of the officials briefed say the evidence is damaging. Charges of murder, dereliction of duty and making a false statement are likely, people familiar with the case said Friday.

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The remains of the 24 lie today in a cemetery called Martyrs' Graveyard. Stray dogs scrounge in the deserted homes. "Democracy assassinated the family that was here," graffiti on one of the houses declared.

The insurgent group al-Qaeda in Iraq said it sent copies of the journalism student's videotape to mosques in Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia, using the killings of the women and children to recruit fighters.
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It may be a crime far worse than when it first broke last year.
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This is a very sad tale. I fear the backlash against our men and women overseas as this develops.
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"Democracy assassinated the family that was here"
Grim.

Reminds me of a Shirin Ebadi quote, "You cannot export democracy with bombs."

These people should be tried for war crimes. Except we all know that the US is above that.
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Horrible.
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Lovely. Just lovely.
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Grim.

Reminds me of a Shirin Ebadi quote, "You cannot export democracy with bombs."

These people should be tried for war crimes. Except we all know that the US is above that.
Once the report is released then the charges should be layed, provided that it was the American troops responsible for this.
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Disgusting. They should try these guys for war crimes. What else is it?
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Re: Haditha Massacre

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It may be a crime far worse than when it first broke last year.

why?

are the people more dead now?
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If true these troops should be tried. But as of now they are innocent until proven guilty.
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Are some of you living under a rock?


this is not a "new" story


maybe it is to you
that have your TV glued to Fox News


when this happened there were reports of this massacre

as there have been many other reports of civilians being blown away by "coalition troops"

not that the troops are necessarily murderers,

the rules of engagement are almost non-existent

Families returning home
have been machined gunned to death because a road-block was put up after they left their home
and they did not know what the flash lights meant.

the troops say they fired a warning shot in the air
and then blew them away,
case closed (for us, excusable)

there are stories of troops killing unarmed people and then planting weapons on them


but, you won't believe it
until there is a picture on fox.news
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deep, to be fair this story died down until Murtha started resurrecting it in the mainstream media in the last several weeks.

The only place I remember referring to it consistently over the last year was on leftist blogs.
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I dont watch fox news. But we have laws and they are innocent until proven guilty. Just because they dont go posting the massacres like insurgents do. They may be guilty of war crimes, but until a full investigation is conducted they are innocent. The soldiers of Abu Grahb went through a trial process and were found guilty. So will these soldiers. I would appreciate it that you dont go accusing me of a bleeding heart republican.

On your subject of civilians being blown away, hundreds of those are due to different insurgents groups, both Sunni and Shiite fighting each other and troops being blown up to. 99% of the troops there are good people, just because of that one percent, you call them all murderers is wrong. Thats like saying all Muslims are terrorists and should be imprisoned.
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On your subject of civilians being blown away, hundreds of those are due to different insurgents groups, both Sunni and Shiite fighting each other and troops being blown up to. 99% of the troops there are good people, just because of that one percent, you call them all murderers is wrong. Thats like saying all Muslims are terrorists and should be imprisoned.
But hold on a sec. I thought 'we' were better than them, right?
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I know we are better than that. And these people, when conviceted of their crimes must be punished.
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why?

are the people more dead now?
The initial story was that the bomb and/or crossfire between insurgents and marines killed these people, I think that premeditated murder is much worse than that.
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