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Old 07-25-2001, 07:09 PM   #16
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We can live in the hope that small things do make a difference. Australia has a shameful record of resource consumption and pollution too.

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Old 07-25-2001, 08:00 PM   #17
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Because the Cato Institute is a well-respected journal and has intelligent and learned people writing for it?
Or is it because it is actually a right-wing think tank? I wonder. I guess they are more reliable than the National Science Foundation.

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Old 07-26-2001, 01:46 AM   #18
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I hope i am wrong, it would be the best for us all.


I do not believe you are wrong. All of nature exists in a delicate balance - even the slightest change can cause ripple effects throughout the species and in the end destroy life. How can we expect to just use and abuse the natural resources of this planet, which are LIMITED - not endless - and not impact the things around us? We should be stewards of our environment, as the most advanced species going we have a responsibility to take care of our surroundings. Most people think if you heave it into a trash can it disappears - gone forever.

Emissions from vehicles, industrial plants, burning trash, coal, etc., will permanently alter the makeup of our atmosphere - how can we argue that it is any different? Trash piled in landfiles will impact the ecosystems around it. Nuclear contamination from reactors and weapons will cause permanent changes to the inhabitants in the environment. Herbicides and pesticides leach into our ground water affecting millions.

On this subject I am embarrassed by my government. I believe we have a responsibility to be a leader on this issue - at least a participant. To stand back and say no, it is not that bad - we have this report, bla bla and we are the only western nation to do so is completely irresponsible. Just go look at Cleveland or Los Angeles on an August day. There's your proof.

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Old 07-26-2001, 03:04 AM   #19
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I am a simple man, I+I=2.

We a poluting the world and we are robing the world
from the treasures it contians. There must be some
changes in te atmosphere. And if i hear a eskimo
talking about the changing he see i believe him.
I will not hide behind a pile of paper. If we do
nothing, we are to late.

I hope i am wrong, it would be the best for us all.


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I'm with Rono and Crzy4Bono on this one.

It's fairly simple; the earth had been storing what we now call fossile fuels for hundreds of milions of years.
Now we have already burned more then half of it in a timeperiod of only a hundred years.

So where do the exhaust products all go?
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Old 07-26-2001, 08:27 AM   #21
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I don't know how it is in the rest of the world...maybe you only get on set of statistics...only one group of scientists who are in complete agreement talking to you about the issue...here we don't. We are constantly bombarded with facts and figures from all sides...and how is the common layperson to know which report is credible and which is not...

America does produce the most pollution. America does have more wealth. America should do more to combat harmful emissions..most agree with that...but there is something about that treaty I simply don't like. Maybe it is the exemption of India and China (who will catch up to America in a few years in pollution levels...and during that time America will still bear the brunt of the cost)...maybe it is the idea that it might force us to turn more to natural gas...and little is available...Will it force us to drill for natural gas in pristine Artic wilderness...??? Will it really cost the average American household an average of 2000 dollars a year to implement this thing? Despite the hype...not all Americans are wealthy and can't take a hit like that.

You see the kind of stuff that is thrown at us...stuff we have no way of knowing if it is true or not...this may be scare tactics thrown at us by the opposition...but how are we to know?

I myself would be willing to sacrifice to clean up the atmosphere...but some people just can't...and some won't.

Its not as easy as 'simply sign the damn thing'!!


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Over here in Europe everyone is pretty much in agreement about the climat change due to mankind. The only point of discussion is the order of magnitude and the speed with which it is occuring. Most American scientists and even a lot of American politicians agree to it (at least that's what I've heard over here) as well.

I don't know about the possibilities to implement the reduction of greenhouse gasses in US economy, but $2000 dollar per houdehold each year seems a bit harsh. Maybe you could inform me on what these calculations were based on (and who made them)?

I do know that if we just sit around and do nothing, the costst will be higher in the long-run. And the countries in Europe obviously don't have problems signing the damn thing and it's not like we make money from it either.

It's very likely that the economies of countries like China and India really can't take the blow a CO2 reduction would give. The US just doesn't want to.

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I don't know about the possibilities to implement the reduction of greenhouse gasses in US economy, but $2000 dollar per houdehold each year seems a bit harsh. Maybe you could inform me on what these calculations were based on (and who made them)?
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I don't know who made the calculations..or how. I saw it on the ABC news the other night and I have been searching their website to find out where they got it...but to no avail. I wish I could find something out about it...its rumors like this that hold up any kind of progress.

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