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Old 08-03-2004, 06:14 PM   #1
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Guess Who's To Blame For Gas Prices???

Cheney Blames Democrats for Gas Prices

Despite the inflammatory partisian nature of his comments, one issue should be discussed:

What do you do between the time you cease drilling for oil in your own country and the time you develop alternative sources of energy?
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Re: Guess Who's To Blame For Gas Prices???

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What do you do between the time you cease drilling for oil in your own country and the time you develop alternative sources of energy?
blame all resulting problems on clinton
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Re: Guess Who's To Blame For Gas Prices???

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Cheney Blames Democrats for Gas Prices

Despite the inflammatory partisian nature of his comments, one issue should be discussed:

What do you do between the time you cease drilling for oil in your own country and the time you develop alternative sources of energy?
I think Cheney's logic is laughable. I think it's ironic that conservatives see Kerry's comment about not being so dependent on foreign oil as a mistake but Cheney's saying the same thing and he's right. They just have different plans to do so. We are where we are due to decades of not really doing anything about it. There are alternative sources out there, there are means to research and start implementing very soon(relatively speaking) but their are oil corporations and people who have no vision that are blocking our progress. The latest predictions I've read is we have 50 to 70 years left at the rate we're going. So your dreams of seeing you grandchildren in hover cars will be squashed and they'll more than likely be on foot if we don't do anything right now, and I don't think more drilling is the answer.
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Is more drilling the answer, or would less consumption have the same effect? When's the last time the CAFE standards for fuel efficiency were raised?
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How do you incentivise less consumption?

CAFE standards are filled with loopholes and place a severe short-term burden on domestic auto production. Remember, you want to keep automotive workers employed.
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How do you incentivise less consumption?

CAFE standards are filled with loopholes and place a severe short-term burden on domestic auto production. Remember, you want to keep automotive workers employed.
You can push and push and push all you want carpooling, mass trasit, but when it comes down to it people like their cars. I think they need to more hybrids(apparently the first hybrid SUV will be coming out in the next year or so) while moving towards an alternate.
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CAFE standards are filled with loopholes and place a severe short-term burden on domestic auto production. Remember, you want to keep automotive workers employed.

That's the line that's trotted out every time someone suggests that, but I don't see the correlation. Did the auto industry suffer major setbacks when the CAFE stadards were riased after the energy crisis? And if so was it because of the CAFE standards, or because American automakers found it was cheaper to build overseas?

The best way to deal with unhealthy consumption is to find ways to reduce it. When you consume an unhealthy amount of food is it better to try and cut down or just buy bigger pants?
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The best way to deal with unhealthy consumption is to find ways to reduce it. When you consume an unhealthy amount of food is it better to try and cut down or just buy bigger pants?

In out ever fattening society, it looks like the pants option is winning.


I agree with your assessment - you can create a penalty for unhealthy consumption or an incentive for healthy consumption.

I have always favored taxing consumption above the necessity level.
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nbc, how very ... European of you.
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I thought about this further, and wondered whether heavy taxation wouldn't just have the same effect as raising the CAFE standards. Automakers would still be forced to increase gas efficiency just from market pressures. The problem with that idea, though, is that heavy taxation would seriously hurt the lower class, another instance where the invisible hand is giving them the finger.
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Cheney. I don't who I detest more Bush or Cheney. Whoever started this mess, I don't see the Bush admin doing anything ( as usual) to fix this.
Oh. correctiion. Bush wants to drill in
Alsaka. Maybe this is why this "crisis"
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Cheney. I don't who I detest more Bush or Cheney. Whoever started this mess, I don't see the Bush admin doing anything ( as usual) to fix this.
Oh. correctiion. Bush wants to drill in
Alsaka. Maybe this is why this "crisis"
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What would be your solution to "the mess"? This year, in five years, in twenty years?
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How do you incentivise less consumption?
Make gas 3.5 dollars per gallon. It's then still lower than in Europe.
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Fair idea - but consider the counter: it will have a disproportionate impact on the poor (i.e., the rich can still drive their SUV's all day long).
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What do the poor drive now?
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