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Old 05-31-2005, 01:34 PM   #106
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what Bush had to say:

"It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word of -- and the allegations -- by people who were held in detention, people who hate America, people that had been trained in some instances to disassemble -- that means not tell the truth. And so it was an absurd report."


once again: criticize anything the Bush administration does, and you hate America.
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Old 05-31-2005, 01:38 PM   #107
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what Bush had to say:

"It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word of -- and the allegations -- by people who were held in detention, people who hate America, people that had been trained in some instances to disassemble -- that means not tell the truth. And so it was an absurd report."


once again: criticize anything the Bush administration does, and you hate America.
No, Dubya, "disassemble" means to take apart.

"Dissemble" means to lie or to conceal the truth, yes.

But then again, those of us who had better than C averages in college already knew that.
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I would like to take a moment here to thank the honorable men and women of the United States Armed forces, who DO their jobs every day, with integrity and honor.

This American Nationalism is brought to you by Me.
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But then again, those of us who had better than C averages in college already knew that.
Or even if you passed 10th grade English.
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I would like to take a moment here to thank the honorable men and women of the United States Armed forces, who DO their jobs every day, with integrity and honory.

This American Nationalism is brought to you by Me.





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I would like to take a moment here to thank the honorable men and women of the United States Armed forces, who DO their jobs every day, with integrity and honor.

This American Nationalism is brought to you by Me.


agreed.

and those who torture inmates do nothing but make our brave men and women, who are simply doing their jobs the best way they know how, less safe.

nationalism, however, i cannot go along with.
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I think dreadsox might have been referring to that other thread Irvine

Critticize Bush and you're anti-American... support and respect soldiers in spite of disagreeing w/ Bush policies and in spite of soldiers whose actions make you ill, and you're a ****ing nationalist. Can't win for losing
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what Bush had to say:

"It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word of -- and the allegations -- by people who were held in detention, and then let go.
The unlawful combatants that are there, with the hoods over their heads, and wires attached to their bodies, well, they have not said one word about abuse. And so it was an absurd report."
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I think dreadsox might have been referring to that other thread Irvine

Critticize Bush and you're anti-American... support and respect soldiers in spite of disagreeing w/ Bush policies and in spite of soldiers whose actions make you ill, and you're a ****ing nationalist. Can't win for losing


i know we're not supposed to bring up other threads, but other comments were made beyond American soldiers that was then attributed to American Nationalism.

perhaps i misunderstood Dread's point.

i am an anti-nationalist, though i always support the individual troops, even though i feel as if they're often terribly misused by politicians who's own children do not serve.

i think Nationalism is essentially chauvinism, and often essentially racist. i also think that if an individual defines his sense of self-worth through whatever his passport says. it's one thing to be proud of your country (i used to be), it's one thing to be grateful for the opportunities your country has given you (i am thankful every day), but it is quite another to be unable to see the country's flaws or to view your country and its citizens as, by definition, "better" than any other. your country might do a better job at providing opportunity, your country might have more money, but to assume that how you live is how everyone else must live is flat-out wrong.

not that anyone has suggested as such.

that's simply what i take the definition of Nationalism to mean and why i choose to separate myself from it.
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i know we're not supposed to bring up other threads, but other comments were made beyond American soldiers that was then attributed to American Nationalism.
Some people in here get their jollies off everytime an INDIVIDUAL in the service does something stupid. for every one bad egg....the are thousands who do their jobs with honor and pride.

If I feel that it is wrong to mischaracterize American soldiers, and single handedly ruin a memorial thread (Not the first memorial thread intentionally attacked in this forum intersetingly enough by a familiar face).

That said, brand me a nationalist.
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Let's clarify this and be honest and say 51% of the American voting population feel this way. Even that is a stretch because I know many who voted for Bush who didn't support the war but liked his so called moral issues.

So when it comes down to it, I really don't think it's a very large majority in this country that support this war 100%. But this administration has done a damn good job making those that oppose sound unAmerican.
The 2004 election was the first time in 16 years that a President actually won a majority of the votes. I think that is very significant. Also, there were many Americans who voted for Kerry and other candidates who DID support the war.
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Support for Iraq war down to 41%, according to a USA Today poll taken less than a month ago.

EDITED TO CLARIFY: Poll had a margin of error at plus or minus 5 points. Respondents were asked if the war was "worth it" or not.

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition...trip04.art.htm
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^ That sounds about right.
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If I feel that it is wrong to mischaracterize American soldiers, and single handedly ruin a memorial thread (Not the first memorial thread intentionally attacked in this forum intersetingly enough by a familiar face).
Can you get a little more concrete. I have the weird shadowy feeling you are finger pointing at me, but I am not sure. Could you please confirm.

The sentence is kind of.. unfinished, btw. If... then what?

pax, I don´t understand why you closed the thread started by me. Can you explain?

The current FYM mentality reminds me of a smeary eye-for-an-eye campaign. Shame on those who follow that mentality.

Dreadsox, I am waiting for your reply.
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pax, I don´t understand why you closed the thread started by me. Can you explain?

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