whenhiphopdrovethebigcars said:
You are ridiculing yourself because we didn´t even mention the fucking resolutions, authorizations, who had to be removed and why and so on.
We are simply talking about the fact that the Bush and Blair administration lied. Do you have the ability to see that this is another issue. Or do I have to explain it to you like to a 5 y.o.
We ALL watched TV and we saw the pictures Rumsfeld showed us, some satellite photos with wishy washy trucks that were moving around. Apart from that, he could´ve painted them himself.
Please understand we are not discussing about the reasons and if they were right or not. The simple fact is that it was said there are huge stockpiles of WMDs, its a threat to all the world, we have to go and find´em. There WEREN´T any. So that´s why those BASTARDS were intentionally lying. This is not a particular viewpoint. That´s just plain fact. NOBODY bought it when they were BLAMING the intelligence for that (again, Bastards).
STING2, on a personal note I can´t believe you are too stupid to understand that. I think you want to turn the attention away from the fact that some of your favorite politicians were OPENLY BETRAYING the free and democratic world they "intend to spread".
Stop talking like Nixon. Your posts sound like one of his half-hearted dementis.
1. SADDAM's regime has still not Verifiably disarmed of all WMD. There are still thousands of stocks of WMD that are unaccounted for. That is a FACT that no one can dispute. There are many theory's as to what may have happened to the unaccounted for stockpiles, but that is all they are, theory's! Saddam was required to verifiably disarm of ALL WMD! Can you name one resolution that SADDAM complied with according to the United Nations? The UN inspectors in November of 1998 listed a large number of problems and failings by Saddam as far as verifiably disarming of all WMD. Saddam did NOTHING in the years since November 1998 to reverse the failures in disarmament listed by that UN inspectors report!
2. For someone to have lied, they must say something that they factually know to be false. No one in the administration has ever done that. Rumsfeld, as supporting evidence for the central case for war which was Saddam's failure to verifiably disarm, listed some intelligence that they had on Saddam's current WMD arsonal. Much of this intelligence was later proven to be wrong as often happens with intelligence on such matters that are difficult to probe. BUT, that did not change the fact, and the central case for war, that SADDAM failed to VERIFIABLY DISARM of all WMD and was in violation of 17 different UN resolutions past under chapter VII rules of the United Nations!
3. The AMERICAN PEOPLE have looked at all of this and decided to re-elect Bush because they supported the war and the central case made for it, despite the fact that various pieces of intelligence, used to support the central case for war, turned out to be inaccurate.
4. Read the "FAQ/RULES" of this forum and see what it says about refering to people as 5 y.o. , stupid, or saying their posts sound like Nixon's "half-hearted dementis"