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Old 02-21-2007, 08:19 PM   #121
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Back to the topic - I wonder what qualities people in FYM look for in a great leader/president. Honesty, duty, integrity, boldness...etc.
FYM aside, if you poll the nation, they'll say that all of those qualities are important. In practice, they just pick the candidate who has the best marketing machine and looks the most "presidential."

"Image" is how every American election is determined. "Substance" is irrelevant, which is generally why we get such dim-witted, idiotic, and disingenuous elected officials.
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Old 02-21-2007, 09:45 PM   #122
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I agree that's there's way too "image-making" and not nearly enough substance in politics in general, and that's why we end up with such idiots in our government.
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Old 02-21-2007, 10:48 PM   #123
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or, you're historically incorrect, and it's the rest of the world that's right and you're wrong.

but you've been disproved on this point before, yet continue to repeat it.

same old same old.
and you continue you to remain ignorant of basic history. same old same old. But hey, if you can identify the vital role that the Viet Cong played in either the Easter offensive of 1972 or the March 1975 offensive, then please do so.

The article by Rick Perlstein does not say anything about the Viet Cong or the insurgency in South Vietnam.
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Old 02-21-2007, 11:45 PM   #124
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Did you miss the post about staying on-topic now?

Or is it that you can't bring yourself not to get in the last word for once.
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Old 02-21-2007, 11:49 PM   #125
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There never has and there never will be an honest president. The last good president was probably Eisenhower.
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Old 02-21-2007, 11:59 PM   #126
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Well, William Henry Harrison was only president for 90 days. Surely he didn't have enough time to be that dishonest, right?
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Old 02-22-2007, 12:28 AM   #127
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Well, William Henry Harrison was only president for 90 days. Surely he didn't have enough time to be that dishonest, right?
Dishonest enough to make it to the White House in the first place
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Old 02-22-2007, 11:10 AM   #128
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Well, he was only president for 90 days. How good could he have been?
I might thoroughly despise GW, but I sure as Hell wouldn't want his job.
To be a president you have to be a politician. To be a politician you have to be a bullshit artist. To be a bullshit artist you have to be a liar.
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Old 02-22-2007, 12:39 PM   #129
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Clinton did.

despite the blowjobs and all.
Clinton was the "cool prez" since the day he was elected. He played the sax for crying out loud. He probably could have maintained a positive approval rating while strangling puppies on national television.
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Old 02-22-2007, 02:20 PM   #130
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Well, despite me not digging GW as our president, sometimes the guy says some pretty funny shit.
Not only did Clinton play the sax, but he did so on the Arsenio Hall Show while donning Blues Brother sunglasses no less.
What wasn't cool, was Clinton cheating on his wife of all the time.
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Old 02-22-2007, 02:49 PM   #131
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Agreed. We got carried away.

Back to the topic - I wonder what qualities people in FYM look for in a great leader/president. Honesty, duty, integrity, boldness...etc.
Or not???
I could care less about someone's criminal record (you'd be surprised about how many people in our congress have one.) I don't care about whatever facade some politican posts...my vote is on the issues. What do I want in a great leader? Somebody who is an advocate for social justice.
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What do I want in a great leader? Somebody who is an advocate for social justice.
Can I ask what you mean by social justice?
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Can I ask what you mean by social justice?
Take every social stance the conservatives have taken over the last 50 years and do the opposite.
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Can I ask what you mean by social justice?
By social justice I mean somebody who wants to improve our quality of life Raising the minimum wage, universal healthcare, improving the education system, an improvement in our environment policy, ending the war, abolishing the death penalty, giving aid to Africa...etc...

if i had to choose between Bush as someone who is supposedly fits the description of having integrity, duty, blah blah and all that , and a candidate with a few felonies in his record, but stood for those issues I mentioned, I'd vote for the latter in a heartbeat.

Image is BS. It is all talk. I'm all about positve action. Actions speak louder than words.
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Old 02-22-2007, 04:44 PM   #135
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Take every social stance the conservatives have taken over the last 50 years and do the opposite.
in the 7 minutes it took me to write my response you pretty much summed it up in one line. Can you write my speeches for me? You'd save a lot of people from boredom.
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