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Old 02-20-2007, 10:26 AM   #31
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thusly ending the possibility of comparisons.
How so?
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Old 02-20-2007, 10:39 AM   #32
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FDR, legs down.


Clinton, pants down.
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Old 02-20-2007, 10:42 AM   #33
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I voted for Clinton, but unfortunately, his time as president was marred by the whole Lewinsky scandal. I don't know if anyone, but he was impeached because he lied about his interactions with Monica Lewinsky. The funnier thing was that he still remained president after he was "impeached". So all of that "hard work" the Republicans put in to bring him down was for nothing. They didn't call him "Slick Willy" for nothing.
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Old 02-20-2007, 10:45 AM   #34
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I thought "impeach" was to put on trial. It isn't an outcome, it is a process.
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^ Mr.P do you/did you really care about the Monica stuff? Honestly I didn't...if a guy does a good job as President I don't care if he's got a whole conga line of interns servicing him.

That said, if the same thing happened to Bush I'm sure I'd be right there mocking him & calling for his ouster, but it would be because he's Bush, not because of the affair itself.

I mean, I'd rather my President not be a horndog but it's not a priority of mine...and I'm sure he wasn't the first. Reagan had to have been cheating, if I was stuck with Nancy I'm sure I would
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While I agree McCellan was a very poor commander, Lee needs some credit here. He always had the Union generals believing he had twice as many soldiers than he really had.

The thing I like about Grant is that he didn't care one way or another. He was going to finish the war or have the entire Army die trying.

Soldiers are willing to die for a single purpose - victory. True victory is the destruction of the enemy or the enemy's will to fight, whichever comes first. Grant knew this and so did Lincoln. I only wish our current commmander and chief and his generals would act so boldly.
Very true about Lee. What a gifted general he was. The North tried its hardest to have him be on their side when the war started, and for good reason. But Lee couldn't give up his beloved Virginia.

But McClellan made his share of very poor moves that assisted Lee's victories as well. He just was too pensive in his moves and that led to few positive outcomes for him.
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You really think Clinton sucked as a President? Why?
1) By pulling troops out of Somalia - Clinton gave the terrorists the message that the US doesn't have the courage to fight.

2) He appointed Ruth Ginsberg to the Supreme Court

3) He looked into the camera and lied to the entire world about his "sexual relations" with an intern

4) The fact that he did have "sexual relations" with an intern demonstrates his lack of integrity

5) The mysterious deaths of those who seemed to have information on the Clintons' past shady business deals

On a positive note, his VP did invent the Internet - making Interference.com possible
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I thought "impeach" was to put on trial. It isn't an outcome, it is a process.
He was impeached, which means that Congress voted for the articles of impeachment, but was subsequently acquitted. He still goes down in history as being the second president ever to be impeached. The first, Andrew Johnson, was also acquitted, albeit by a single vote.
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^ Mr.P do you/did you really care about the Monica stuff? Honestly I didn't...if a guy does a good job as President I don't care if he's got a whole conga line of interns servicing him.

That said, if the same thing happened to Bush I'm sure I'd be right there mocking him & calling for his ouster, but it would be because he's Bush, not because of the affair itself.

I mean, I'd rather my President not be a horndog but it's not a priority of mine...and I'm sure he wasn't the first. Reagan had to have been cheating, if I was stuck with Nancy I'm sure I would
Integrity is essential for genuine greatness. One of the reasons Lincoln is always mentioned near the top of any "best of" list because nobody questioned his integrity.
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Lincoln was not the good guy and hero history has made him out to be. Read more up on him.

You know I don't know if I could even pick one! They've all had their good and bad factors. To me if a war is the reason someone is great, that is not good because if they were really great, they'd have avoided the war!
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because it's absurd to draw comparisons between Lincoln and, say, a certain republican president with abysmal approval ratings bogged down in an unpopular, unwinnable war.
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1) By pulling troops out of Somalia - Clinton gave the terrorists the message that the US doesn't have the courage to fight.

2) He appointed Ruth Ginsberg to the Supreme Court

3) He looked into the camera and lied to the entire world about his "sexual relations" with an intern

4) The fact that he did have "sexual relations" with an intern demonstrates his lack of integrity

5) The mysterious deaths of those who seemed to have information on the Clintons' past shady business deals

On a positive note, his VP did invent the Internet - making Interference.com possible


and i'd take all of this times 10 over Iraq and Katrina and doctored intelligence any day of the week and twice on sunday.
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Integrity is essential for genuine greatness. One of the reasons Lincoln is always mentioned near the top of any "best of" list because nobody questioned his integrity.
I do think integrity matters...I'm don't think I'd rank Clinton among the "great" because of it. However there's a pretty wide gap between great & sucks. I do think Clinton was a good President, above average for sure.
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I don't even consider Clinton's affair when evaluating his presidency. I care about what he did for me and my country, not how good of a blow job he got.
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Call me crazy but Clinton, even with all his sexual dalliances, deviances, whatever you want to call them (all of which I would never defend by the way and they did and do disgust me) and any other questionable issues in his Presidency- still has more integrity in my eyes in his pinky finger than GWB does in his whole being. Integrity is a bit subjective- even though it can be defined we all define it differently, perhaps.
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