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Old 09-04-2003, 06:57 PM   #91
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Yes, Hannity and Limbaugh rub their pudgy hands together with glee and praise the almighty Arnold even though he is pro-choice, pro gun control, pro gay marriage, etc...

These guys have set a new standard in hypocrisy.

Well Arnold is selling out on the Gay Marriage issue to get the more Conservative vote.
Nonetheless if Californian Republicans are smart they will vote for Ueberoth, who is the most qualified of the Conservatives running.
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I agree with nbcrusader, it's going to get ugly, and any of the candidates that swear they won't bend to special interests haven't been around politics much and haven't been handed a fat check yet.

I can't find one person I can trust in the CA campaign. Bustemante seems to have the most solid ideas and solutions, but I just don't trust him, the others are way to vague to think about putting trust in...
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Because all Republicans must believe a certain way, of course.....
I'm not saying they all have to believe a certain way, but they don't even bat an eye or criticize him on this. We all know that Arnold could, and probably should, have a 'D' next to his name instead of an 'R'. If he was running as a Democrat, do you think the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh would be supporting him even if all his beliefs and issues and ideas were the same?
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Is this the article?

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Sorry, I was relying on the LA Times. .....


State GOP Sought Donations From Enron
Politics: Requests brought in $50,000 during probe of the energy firm.
By VIRGINIA ELLIS and CARL INGRAM
Times Staff Writers

April 29, 2002

SACRAMENTO -- Republican legislative leaders solicited tens of thousands of dollars in campaign donations from Enron Corp. even as the state government was investigating the company and other producers suspected of price gouging and market manipulation during last year's energy crisis, according to internal Enron documents.

As state investigators probed Enron's business dealings, Sen. Jim Brulte and Assemblyman Dave Cox, the two GOP floor leaders, appealed to the company for contributions and were rewarded with checks, said the confidential company records obtained by The Times.

"Enron gave $50K to the Rep party at Brulte and Cox's request," wrote Enron's Sacramento lobbyist in an October 2001 memo. State records disclose that the funds arrived in August as lawmakers were wrapping up their energy legislation.

Brulte, of Rancho Cucamonga, denied Friday that he solicited money from Enron on the party's behalf. A spokesman for Cox, of Fair Oaks, defended the assemblyman's appeal for contributions as nothing out of the ordinary. Neither the contributions nor the solicitation of them is a violation of campaign-finance law.

Although the party reported the contributions as required by law, the documents detail a relationship between Republican leaders and the now-failed energy giant that neither the company nor the state GOP has ever publicly acknowledged. Indeed, during this spring's primary campaign, the Republican candidates for governor all criticized Gov. Gray Davis for accepting nearly $120,000 from Enron.

A memo to managers at Enron's landmark skyscraper headquarters in Houston said the donations given at Cox and Brulte's request would entitle company executives to a place at the table of an Oct. 29 luncheon that the generator industry planned for the two Californians.

"Expect Brulte and Cox to push us for another 75K," the internal Enron memo warned.

Enron executives in Texas were urged to attend because the political picture in California was changing rapidly. GOP gubernatorial contender Richard Riordan, the former mayor of Los Angeles, appeared to be on the rise in opinion polls while Democrat Davis was in trouble over his management of the energy crisis.

"Given where Davis' numbers have gone recently, Riordan's imminent announcement and potential, and the fact that the R's [Republicans in the Legislature] have played it about as well as could be expected under the circumstances . . . this could be a useful gathering," said the memo by Jeff Dasovich, an Enron government relations executive.

Dasovich said the only Republican to speak out against the energy producers during the energy crunch was Sen. Bill Morrow of Oceanside. "We may want to bring [that] up with Brulte," he advised Enron colleagues.

The unpublicized private luncheon would have the added advantage of occurring far from Sacramento, he said. "And it doesn't require crossing the border into California, to boot."

Sen. Joe Dunn (D-Santa Ana) has alleged that Enron influenced GOP lawmakers, but they have denied it.

Enron, now in bankruptcy but once so powerful that its influence reached around the globe, played a pivotal role in California's calamitous 1996 decision to deregulate its energy market. The company's aggressive campaign to assert itself as a leader in the deregulated environment last year brought accusations from consumer advocates, Davis and other Democrats that Enron and others had "gamed" the newly deregulated market and gouged Californians with astronomical prices.

By soliciting contributions for their party rather than their own campaigns, legislators and other officeholders are able to obtain donations from unpopular interests without ever having to disclose their role in raising the money.

Karen Denne, an Enron corporate spokeswoman, said Saturday that she was unfamiliar with specifics of the $50,000 contribution and internal memos but she knew the company was being solicited for contributions as the Legislature and Davis wound up action on energy crisis bills.

She said she believed the appeals for funds by Brulte and Cox were no more "aggressive than those of other members of the Senate and Assembly."

A Republican Party spokesman confirmed that Cox and Sen. Ray Haynes (R-Riverside) traveled to Houston for the lunch. Brulte did not attend because of illness.

The affair was hosted by R. Steven Letbetter, chairman of Reliant Energy, another Texas-based producer, and was aimed at giving industry executives a political update on California. Enron officials, who by then were coping with the financial collapse of their company, did not attend.

"The event in Houston was not a fund-raiser per se," said GOP spokesman Rob Stutzman, "[but] we want to be clear that the hope was that the companies would contribute money."

He defended the decision to seek donations from energy companies, then a highly unpopular industry, saying that if any violated laws during the power crisis, state and federal investigators would take the appropriate action.

"Until the laws are changed, generators are still part of the solution to keeping our lights on," Stutzman said. "We think it would be foolish to treat them as pariahs."

Brulte said in an interview Friday that he never solicited contributions specifically from Enron. He said it was a party aide who approached the company for donations.

He said it was part of his duties as a party leader to raise money for the GOP. He and Cox regularly appear at fund-raising events staged by the party and have so far raised about $3 million, Brulte said.

Cox was reported unavailable for comment on this story. His spokesman, Peter DeMarco, said he was unaware of the details of the timing of the Enron contribution, but defended Cox's role.

"The generators are doing business in California. Part of the world of the leaders is to go and secure funds for their candidates," DeMarco said. He denied as "mischaracterization" the notion that Cox pressured Enron for donations.

At their state convention in February, Republicans assailed Davis for accepting $119,500 in Enron contributions over the last five years. They demanded that he return it. Davis refused, saying that he took his last contribution of $10,000 from Enron in May 2000, a few months before the power crisis began.

Asked at the time about the $50,000 donation to the California GOP, Party Chairman Shawn Steel said he would strongly recommend that the money be returned. "I don't think we should keep their money at all," he told reporters.

The party has never returned the money.

"To do so requires an action by the board of directors of the party and the board has not taken such action at this time and I do not believe intends to at this time," spokesman Stutzman said Friday.

One consumer advocate who lobbied during the energy crisis, Douglas Heller, recalled that Republican lawmakers pushed for legislation embraced by energy producers, including relaxing environmental regulations to encourage more power plant construction, a move Davis later agreed to.

Heller said he believed at the time it was a political mistake for the Republicans not to put more distance between themselves and the energy producers.

"They pointed fingers at Davis while continuing to present Enron's policy argument as their own," said Heller, who represented the Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights. "The Republicans were given a free ticket to escape culpability for the deregulation debacle because it fell on Davis' watch and he bumbled his way through it. They refused, however, to stand with consumers and fight the energy companies."

In testimony to Congress earlier this month, Dunn, who heads a committee investigating alleged price gouging, said confidential records from Enron's governmental affairs department suggested a "very close" relationship between the company and unnamed leaders of the Legislature.

"On the one hand, California's legislative leaders appealed directly to Enron for contributions and on the other received explicit instruction about specific legislation," Dunn testified.

He refused to elaborate Saturday, citing confidentiality restrictions. But he said the legislative leaders he had in mind were "primarily from the Republican side of the aisle. I'm not aware of any Democrats that made such an appeal to Enron."


Dunn refused to discuss his allegation that Enron issued orders to lawmakers on bills. He said he hopes to reach agreement with Enron soon on resolving confidentiality conflicts and intends to publicly disclose evidence to substantiate his allegation.
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Arnold's Hummer

the movie

see it here <--------------

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Seems like Arnold is everyone's target.

Davis said you shouldn't vote for someone who couldn't pronounce "California".

I am surprised Davis would make ethnic accents an issue.
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Come on nbc


put on your Karl Rove thinking cap.

Ariana is Arnold's best friend in this race, she will only peel away votes from Bustyertaxes. If Conejo and the Green Party gets any serious votes Arnold has it in the bag.

Politics is not about principles, just ask Gil Fergeson.

Rove knows it is about winning, he said they factored in Nader voters in 2000.
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To go slightly off topic.
I hate the Republican Party(well modern Republican Party) and everything they stand for. However I have always had an inkling of respect for Karl Rove. He get's his men elected, no matter how many children he has to eat alive in the process. He is the brains behind the White House, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
The Democrats will have a tough time knocking out Bush in 04, unless they pull out a meaner, tougher, more stubborn sumbitch than Rove........James Carville.
However even if Bush win's re-election, there is always the real chance of The Democrats reclaiming The Senate and The House, which in most respects is a stronger victory than taking the Presidency(unless they pulled off taking all three)
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i know i'm dregging up a semi-buried thread but i've been reading more and more about Arnold and becoming incredibly UNIMPRESSED with his character. I haven't read this whole thread but my scan of it tells me posts are focusing mainly on his relation with Enron. Well I'm talking about his treatment of women.

From Entertainment Weekly (quoted by Scheer):
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But nothing in T3 bears Schwarzenegger's creative stamp more than his epic tussle with the Terminatrix, a battle that begins in a bathroom. The sequence was made longer and more elaborate thanks to the actor's largess -- and his singular imagination.

"As we were rehearsing, I saw this toilet bowl," says Schwarzenegger, an impish smile crossing his face. "How many times do you get away with this -- to take a woman, grab her upside down, and bury her face in a toilet bowl? I wanted to have something floating in there," he adds. Apparently, he was vetoed. "They thought it was my typical Schwarzenegger overboard," he says. "The thing is, you can do it, because in the end, I didn't do it to a woman -- she's a machine! We could get away with it without being crucified by who-knows-what group."
What do every day people make of a person who makes these statements like this? Wanting to push a woman's head in the toilet? And what about the "who-knows-what group" reference he makes, as if the only people who don't like to see such violence against women are in some sort of feminists (i'm assuming) group?

What about the moment cited in this article:
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"Anna Richardson of Big Screen claims that after the cameras stopped rolling for her interview segment, Schwarzenegger, apparently attempting to ascertain whether Richardson’s breasts were real, tweaked her nipple and then laughed at her objections. “I left the room quite shaken,” she says. “What was more upsetting was that his people rushed to protect him and scapegoated me, and not one person came to apologize afterward.”"
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“You don’t get it,” says a producer who’s worked with Schwarzenegger. “That’s the way Arnold always behaves. For some reason, [this time] the studio or the publicists couldn’t put enough pressure on the women to kill the story.”
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San Francisco-based journalist Connie Matthiessen got a hot blast of Schwarzenegger raunch when she happened across the actor in the mid-1980s. In an interview Friday with Salon, she recalled that she didn't know who Schwarzenegger was and had never seen him before. When a friend pointed him out to her in a Santa Monica, Calif., cafe, Matthiessen couldn't help but stare at his massive, muscle-bound physique. Schwarzenegger shot a look back her, and snarled: "The dildo convention is next door."

"He said it in such a mean way," Matthiessen says. "I was across the room, and it was such a brutal conversation. It felt like he had just slapped me, it was so contemptuous and dismissive and nasty."

It wasn't the first time that Schwarzenegger talked that way to -- or about -- women, and it certainly wasn't the last.

If California voters somehow get a closer look at this X-rated, seemingly misogynist side of Arnold Schwarzenegger -- that is, if their local newspapers and TV stations stop talking of Schwarzenegger's attitudes in G-rated sound bites and begin to delve into the brutal crudeness of it all -- they may soon begin to decide that there is a lot to not like about the man who would be governor.

"Arnold Schwarzenegger's sexual stereotypes are beyond the pale," said Katherine Pillar, the Los Angeles-based executive vice president of Feminist Majority, a national women's organization working for women's rights and empowerment. "It's so appalling. He has shown a very disrespectful attitude about women, a lot of sexual stereotypes, and he clearly hasn't outgrown it. I think the women of California have to ask themselves: Would they want this man to be governor, and, frankly, can they trust him?"

Would you let your sister vote for this man?

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I agree w/ you Olive-but those are all lies, right?

And Maria doesn't care, so it doesn't matter..

Didn't he also say in the "debate" that he wanted to reenact that T 3 scene w/ Arianna Huffington? Now I agree, she's annoying , but how many times can a guy "joke" about this stuff before it's really not a joke anymore?

I'm just glad I don't live in CA, even though my Gov is a dolt

My impression of Arnold is that he has gotten far in life by being phony
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Davis' democratic operatives said they would bring up these quotes before Arnold entered the race. With internal democratic polls showing Arnold leading Bustamante, it is time to start flinging the mud. And this after 8 years of "character shouldn't matter". [/partisian rant]

Some of the quotes are disturbing. The snippet is taken out of a larger interview, so we lose context. The alleged "nipple tweaking" incident has been disputed.

As for the comment to Huffington, she struck out with a cheap shot, then claims to be a victim by Arnolds "T4" reply.

Is this really a concern about his character (where someone would approach Arnold and tell him he needs and offers help), or an expedient way to damage character?
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As for the comment to Huffington, she struck out with a cheap shot, then claims to be a victim by Arnolds "T4" reply.

Exactly.

Huffington was rude and turned every question into some sort of personal attack against Arnold. It seemed more like a personal vendetta than a real interest in debating the issues.

And his comment to her was something along the lines of "I think I have the perfect part for you in T4." I didn't find it offensive or threatening at all considering she had just accused him of mistreating women because he interupted her. What kind of comment is that anyway? Is she saying she deserves to be treated differently because she's a woman but its okay for HER to be rude and interupt?
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In the news they said that Arnold is leading! He will be thenext governor !!!

GO ARNIE... ROCK tHE CASBAH
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Davis' democratic operatives said they would bring up these quotes before Arnold entered the race. With internal democratic polls showing Arnold leading Bustamante, it is time to start flinging the mud. And this after 8 years of "character shouldn't matter". [/partisian rant]
Just b/c Clinton did something wrong (although I think the wrongness was to his wife) doesn't mean we can allow others to do it wrong like "two wrongs make a right."

As far as I personally am concerned, there's a difference between being misogynistic and considering women below you- like thinking it's OK to treat women with such disrespect and crudeness- and have oral sex with a woman who is consenting. YES, cheating on your wife is wrong. But it's not my business. A man in political power who doesn't respect women, YES that is my business, as a woman, a women-lover, and a US citizen. I don't want him passing laws that will control me when it's obvious from those testimonies he doesn't understand or respect women.
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