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Old 08-23-2003, 06:12 PM   #46
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Given the shifitng stance of the CA democrats, how long before Davis is wearing a "Vote Bustamante" shirt?
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What I want to know is what were Gov. Davis's crimes? There is no list of what he did to deserve this recall. If its just not getting the economy moving, well tough shit. Under those circumstances every other Governor in the country should be booted out of office, we should can Dubya at the same time. This recall is a sham and just a Republican Power Play for taking offices they know they CAN'T WIN in a real election!
I lost all respect for Schwarzenegger for the fact that he is willing to get himself involved in such a sham. I love how he claims to not be controlled by special interests, but comes to press conferences in a huge Hummer. Give me a break, he is already being corrupted by politics! He is selling himself out to the Far Right on certain issues like Homosexuality and Abortion, just so he can get elected. He is no different than those he complains about. This recall sets a bad precedent, and it will serve Arnold right if he ends up getting recalled as well.

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Maybe a little research could have helped.

The California recall law does not require "a crime" in order for it to be used. Instead, it is generated by voters. Less than 900,000 signatures are required to initiate a recall. In the last 100 years, there have been numerous attempts to being a recall campaign. This was the first one that was successful. In fact, over 2 million signatures were sent to the Secretaty of State's office.

I see you buy into the "right-wing conspiracy". California favors Democrats. Polls show a majority of the voters of California are in favor of the recall.

Equating Schwarzenegger's driving a Hummer with Davis' catering to (actually, being owned by) his special interest groups is non-sensical.
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It's a legal recall, no doubt, and, with the population of California as it is, it was never difficult to get as many signatures as they did. Republicans were certainly the drive behind the recall, but they merely used the law to their favor.

However, to be honest, I wouldn't have put it past the Bush Administration to have created California's energy crisis (with its ties to energy trader, Enron, and Cali's deregulated, private utility companies) to give Davis a bad name...which, if that is true, it certainly worked.

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However, to be honest, I wouldn't have put it past the Bush Administration to have created California's energy crisis (with its ties to energy trader, Enron, and Cali's deregulated, private utility companies) to give Davis a bad name...which, if that is true, it certainly worked.

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A good theory, except Davis was the single largest recipient of campain money from Enron. His mind was elsewhere when the "crisis" began to rear its head.
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Its still a bass ackwards process when you only need 900,000 signatures in a state with a population in the tens of millions.
The point is the Republicans will do anything to get offices they cannot win in a legit election, and they are monopolizing on everyones frustration, by using Davis as the fall man. Frankly if this is the precedent to be set, we should recall every Governor in the country and can the President while we are at it.
As George Carlin put it "There is no vast right wing conspiracy, they are driving the bus while we are sitting in back".
Anyone who supports this recall to undermine the election process deserves whats coming to them.

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Maybe a little research could have helped.

The California recall law does not require "a crime" in order for it to be used. Instead, it is generated by voters. Less than 900,000 signatures are required to initiate a recall. In the last 100 years, there have been numerous attempts to being a recall campaign. This was the first one that was successful. In fact, over 2 million signatures were sent to the Secretaty of State's office.

I see you buy into the "right-wing conspiracy". California favors Democrats. Polls show a majority of the voters of California are in favor of the recall.

Equating Schwarzenegger's driving a Hummer with Davis' catering to (actually, being owned by) his special interest groups is non-sensical.
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Hello,

It is legitimate to have a recall in California, etc. But indeed, it is strange to have this recall now when Davis hasn't comitted any crime and while he was re-elected last year! I mean, why wasn't he voted out of office last year? What significant thing has happened in this year that was entirely contributable to him (and not the economy of national legislation, etc.)?



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Just because it is legal doesn't make it legit.

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It is legitimate to have a recall in California, etc. But indeed, it is strange to have this recall now when Davis hasn't comitted any crime and while he was re-elected last year! I mean, why wasn't he voted out of office last year? What significant thing has happened in this year that was entirely contributable to him (and not the economy of national legislation, etc.)?



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The funny thing is that there are a lot of Republican groups that are also against this recall. They use the same excuses, that he has done nothing illegal and to oust a Governer because you don't like his politics is a very dangerous thing to do. In reality these Republicans are probably very worried about "retaliation". That this could happen to Republican governers in other states, or adversly affect Bush's realection as Democrats get increasingly pissed off at the Rebuplican party as a whole.

My only complaint is that Arnold is a Democrat and he still calls himself a Republican. So far right-wing wackos like Sean Hannity support him when if he just had the Democrat label he would be pointing his pudgy finger at him yelling that he is a sick treasonous liberal.

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"I'm beginning to see what Maria Shriver saw in Arnold"

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Hey, I'm no prude. But I felt more than a little embarrassed while reading details of Arnold Schwarzenegger's Don Juan days to the Rev. Louis P. Sheldon of the Traditional Values Coalition.

"Go ahead," Rev. Sheldon encouraged in a somber tone. "I'm an adult."

Yeah, but this stuff could make a sailor blush. The comments by Schwarzenegger were from a 1977 Oui magazine article that's been making the rounds.

I'm guessing it's a tossup as to whether Schwarzenegger's randy remarks will cost him, or win him, Republican votes. He's got sort of an old-fashioned take on the role of women, you might say, and his slurs against gays might not hurt him with some conservatives, either.

But you don't want to have to explain bawdy comments about group sex in the gym, hanging out with hookers or getting high on grass and hashish the very week you're trying to climb into bed with true conservatives who doubt you're one of them.

As I began quoting from the Oui article, there was stony silence from the Rev. Sheldon, the head of Californians for Moral Government.

"Everybody jumped on" a naked woman at Gold's Gym in Venice, Schwarzenegger said in describing an impromptu orgy. But then he qualified the claim, saying some men can't [perform] in front of others, because they're insecure about the size of their [action figure].

There was lots of talk about [action figures] in the article, including Arnold's. He said that lifting weights won't add any bulk down there, but it's clear from the size of his biceps that he never stopped trying.

I asked the good reverend if it was OK for me to go on.

"I appreciate the explicitness of this," Rev. Sheldon said, giving me permission to continue. "This is pretty serious."

I think I might have heard a sigh from him when I read Arnold's observation that if a woman measured up in the sack, "She can weigh 150 pounds, I don't care." Then there was the part about "girls backstage" at the 1972 Mr. Olympia contest paying special attention to the contestants' [action figures].

"I went out there feeling like King Kong," said Schwarzenegger, who won the event.

In fairness to Arnold, the Oui article was published a long time ago. He was just 29 and had not yet married Maria Shriver, the daughter of a Kennedy. But you have to wonder whether his behavior and attitudes will raise lasting concerns among true believers, and among women who might be thinking, "What a [action figure] this guy is."

"I don't think so," said K.B. Forbes, a spokesman for Bill Simon Jr., the conservative candidate who dropped out of the race on Saturday. People don't want old news, Forbes said. They want to hear about job creation and solutions to the budget deficit.

Maybe so, but they haven't heard much of either from Arnold.

The Rev. Sheldon was already praying for Arnold because of the candidate's moderate views on abortion, among other things. When I had finished reading him the Oui article, Sheldon was in a lather.

There is only one way for Arnold to save the conservative vote (not to mention his soul), Sheldon said, and stand tall as the moral leader of the great state of California.

"He must repent. George W. Bush fully repented and has abstained from hard alcohol for many years."

You cannot go around calling yourself a Ronald Reagan conservative when the facts of your life tell a different story, said the reverend.

Wait a minute. Wasn't Nancy pregnant when Ron married her? Before I could bring it up, Sheldon surprised me by tossing a compliment to Gray Davis.

"We're at opposite ends politically, but the man stays with his dear wife every night."

Amen.

"In light of all these revelations," the reverend went on, "Mr. Schwarzenegger must repudiate and repent, even though it's been a quarter of a century You do not want people thinking they can [take turns having their way with] a woman, even if she makes herself available. That is not morally right. The lust of the flesh leads to destruction."

Hallelujah, brother. But I'm not sure Schwarzenegger has seen the light.

"I never lived my life to be a politician," he said this week on a radio show. "I never lived my life to be the governor of California."

There it is: the perfect Arnold bumper sticker.

"Obviously, I've made statements that are ludicrous and crazy and outrageous and all of those things," Arnold went on, "because that's the way I always was."

Doesn't sound like repenting to me.

"I think he needs to say, 'It was wrong for me to do this,' " the Rev. Sheldon says. "Is this still continuing? Would he ever do this again? Would he promise he's not going to chase interns around the desk in the office?"

Only time will tell. But I'm beginning to see what Maria Shriver saw in Arnold. In at least one way, he kind of reminds you of the Kennedy boys.
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All I gotta say is...

"VOTE DOLE!"

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This whole issue is silly, seriously why he is a more credible candidate than someone like Larry Flynt. Larry Flynt is a very successful businessman, and has more money than Arnold.
This whole California debacle is just an incredible mess, and setting a horrible precedent for future state elections.
The fact is the rules are fucked up. We're talking about a state with 35 million people, and it only takes 900,000 signatures to recall the Governor. That is just outrageous. Not to mention Davis won a real election by quite a large margin less than a year ago.
Californians are pissed, and The Republicans are milking this for all its worth by using Davis as a scapegoat. If ineffectiveness is a rule of thumb for removing an ELECTED official, then we better pull Dubya's ass out of office as well.
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Please, start the "Arnold is the cause of all violence in America" mantra.
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