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Old 10-10-2003, 02:29 PM   #196
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Arnold will tell you what his advisors whispering (sp?) to him,...
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Old 10-10-2003, 02:36 PM   #197
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With all the hoopala of Arnold being "playful" in the past while he was an actor really shouldnt matter.
He was an actor then..and a decent family man now.
He is now an elected official.
When he was "playful" he was NOT an elected offcial embodied w/the public trust.
He is now, judge him now.

I find it oddly curious and the height of hypocrcsy that for those who defended a former president in office, w far worse accusations, while Arnold was only an actor at the time and being "playful"..
This was rank partisnship at its best....

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I'm glad you see sexual harrassment as being "playful". That's great. The attitude that so many people have taken with this situation, by just dismissing it and saying it's not important because it was released a week before the election is really pretty sick. I feel that it's set the progress of ending sexual harrassment back by a decade or so.

So DB9, don't you find it hypocritical that Republican's came after Clinton like a lynch mob with torches, but when it's a Republican that's about to be elected to the country's most influential voting state, they don't see anything wrong with over a dozen allegations of sexual misconduct? I think most Democracts want to see Arnold held accountable for his actions for the very fact that Clinton was given so much grief about his actions. What's good for the goose is good for the gander so to speak.

And just for your information the most recent allegation is from just 3 years ago. This is a pattern of behavior, consistent over 30 years. A few of these allegations are also after he got married and became such a upstanding "family man".

And he's already lying. He told us in several interviews that he would go into detail on the allegations once he was elected (how convenient), yet when questioned on it yesterday he didn't answer.
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Old 10-10-2003, 02:43 PM   #198
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I bet Diamond is taller than Arnold.
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Brother that maybe true, however I think Arnold has larger hands than I

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I think youre a bit partisan.
If Arnold gets "playful" while in office than throw him out..
As far as Im concern he has a clean slate now..

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Old 10-10-2003, 02:49 PM   #199
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I think youre a bit partisan.
If Arnold gets "playful" while in office than throw him out..
As far as Im concern he has a clean slate now..

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That's funny.

So does everyone start from new once they get in office or just those that you like? So character doesn't matter? Interesting.
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That's funny.

So does everyone start from new once they get in office or just those that you like? So character doesn't matter? Interesting.
No it matters BonoVox - but only for Democrats. You see, Republicans are exempt from this. For example, Clinton was lambasted for having smoked a little pot back in the day. Bush did coke and had a drinking problem (as did Chaney), but he was the one "bringing integrity back to the White House".

Clinton was harrassed for having a high number on his draft card that didn't get called. Bush goes AWOL and then deserts his position in the national guard and we don't hardly hear a peep about it.

Clinton lied about getting a blow job and was nearly impeached! Bush lies about weapons to get into a war that kills hundreds of U.S. soldiers and thousands of civilians, costing us billions and he's a patriot.

Sad world.
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I think most Democracts want to see Arnold held accountable for his actions for the very fact that Clinton was given so much grief about his actions. What's good for the goose is good for the gander so to speak.
This is only going to lead to a never-ending problem. We don't want to proceed on principle - we want revenge. The hypocrisy is on both sides. We can argue the nuances of why one case is/was different that the other until we are blue in the face. The bottom line is that neither side is/was willing to live by a principle that applies consistently across party lines.
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This is only going to lead to a never-ending problem. We don't want to proceed on principle - we want revenge. The hypocrisy is on both sides. We can argue the nuances of why one case is/was different that the other until we are blue in the face. The bottom line is that neither side is/was willing to live by a principle that applies consistently across party lines.
This is true, I don't want Arnold held accountable because of Clinton, I want Arnold held accountable because he's human. If he did any of these things alleged he should be held accountable. I don't think anyone should go after him out of revenge. I want Republican and Democrats alike to be honest with themselves and realize the hypocrisy they're living in. No one, no matter what side, should sit back and let their canidate walk in by claiming he was just being "playful". I'm sick of people not taking sexual harrasment seriously by saying "boys will be boys" or he was just "playful". Bullshit. He did it, or he didn't. It doesn't matter how long it took for these women to come out. Have you ever been sexually harassed, do you know the embarassment? Now I totally understand that some if not all of these allegations can be lies or exagerated, but look into these allegations. Don't turn a blind eye and write it off because he's your canidate.
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When he was "playful" he was NOT an elected offcial embodied w/the public trust.
Please have a little more respect than to dismiss sexual harrassment as a man being "playful."
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I am all for people being punished for harassment. That said, if and when Arnold is brought up on charges, and he has to testify before a court, then I will equate the situation as equal to Clinton's.

I was not upset that Clinton was accused of such things. I was and remain still disgusted that he lied in court. That is why I was for the impeachment.

As for Arnold, if the same thing happens I would feel the same way. Elected officials do not belong in office if they lie in court. Now if Arnold tells the truth that is another thing.

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Elected officials do not belong in office if they lie in court.
What if they lie anywhere else?
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Just to make one thing clear. I'm not looking for Arnold to be held accountable for revenge, but I'm saying there are people who feel Clinton was hunted down on this thing by Ken Starr relentlessly, and to now see similar charges brushed off by the same people is frustrating. If the arguement is that sexual charges should be looked into no matter what political party is involved, than they should be investigating these charges. But it seems like the Republicans get yet another pass on a serious charge.

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I think taking the oath of office is just as binding as swearing to tell the truth in court. That's why I take Bush's lies seriously. And I take them more seriously than Clinton's because the difference between a blowjob and a war are pretty big in my opinion.

And no, I'm not saying Clinton's lie is excusable. I thought it was a terrible thing when it happened. I'm saying Bush's lies have more dire consequences.
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i still like arnold..
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What if they lie anywhere else?
Not my point. President Clinton was in court because of a trial.
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Not my point. President Clinton was in court because of a trial.
It is questionable as to whether he belonged "on trial" to begin with. In the case of Andrew Johnson, the only other president to be impeached, he was being tried for a law imposed by the 3/4+ Republican Congress (to be fair, though, this is before the "switch" during the Grant era, where liberal and conservatives switched sides) that was later declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.

As we can see, however, "impeachment" has rather turned into a political game.

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I do not feel it was a political game. There were enough democrats for it that it passed.

If it were political he would have been found guilty during the trial portion of impeachment.
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