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Old 09-29-2002, 02:01 PM   #16
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Re: I come from a looooooooong line of diary farmers

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Actually milking a cow does not harm the animal. As a matter of fact not milking a cow can lead to infections and problems for the cow.
i always thought that, too.

not wanting to eat meat, or specific kinds of meat is all right, you know, to each man his own. but to say all dairy products are bad because you're hurting cows is ludicrous.
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You'll pry this pint of Ben and Jerry's out of my cold, dead fingers!
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You'll pry this pint of Ben and Jerry's out of my cold, dead fingers!
Thank you for my morning giggle. I did not think I would find it here in FYM. What a surprise.
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Old 09-30-2002, 12:15 PM   #19
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If they want to draw attention to their cause through this ad campaign that's fine. But I think it hurts their cause if they place a Got beer? ad in a college paper in which

-a majority of the readers are under the legal drinking age
-know someone who was physically taken advantage or raped while under the influence
-know someone who has experienced or died from alcohol poisioning

all three of which are quite prevelant on college campuses.

I'm still waiting for PETA to do ads that we should fight against funding to Native American organizations because they hunt for food and make animal skin teepee and wear fur. And those damn Eskimos kill whales and polar bears for food and clothing. And all those Australians who "throw shrimp on the barbi" are evil.

And plants have feelings too.......no more salads!
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Sting2 is right, it's not the act of milking a cow, it's the conditions that the cows (and any other meat/dairy/leather etc. animals for that matter) are kept in.

It's no secret fact that factory farms are known for having horrific conditions, and putting family farmers out of business, and it's tese types of farms more than any other where our products are coming from. Any way to get the laws and regulations changed to meet more ethical standards for the animals is their main concern. And whether you agree with them or not, it gets the dialouge moving.
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Old 09-30-2002, 12:19 PM   #21
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And as far as advertising for beer on the college campus, I'm not sure about the others here, but beer companies advertise on all the college campuses I've been to, and I see it as no more harmful than those ads or having bars or seeling alchohol on the campus.

And college kids are pretty smart, they know it's a joke.
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Old 09-30-2002, 01:02 PM   #22
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Despite the fact that I work for a Humane Society, I think PETA really overdo things. It's important that animals are treated as humanely as possible, but pissing people off is not the way to go about it! I was actually an avid vegetarian for four years, but fell off the wagon....

Anyway, I have always been an avid consumer of dairy (especially when I wasn't eating meat), but what worries me (and makes me feel guilty) at the same time is that I have heard that the cows are forced to stand in those stalls day in and day out, remaining pregnant all their lives, in order to produce the milk. That doesn't make for a very happy life for the mass producing cow, to say the least.

I'm not sure what can be done about it, of course free range farm cows and milk are best, but that is expensive.
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Yeah Mrs. Edge, that's what drives me nuts, is how expensive it is to buy organic/free range/humane blah blah stuff.
Factory Farms are just evil for what they do to the animals (which then gets past down to us the consumer) and what it does to family farmers and something needs to be done about it, I don't think it's taken seriously enough because it's not covered that much in the media.

It's going to take a lot of people getting involved before any big change happens. It needs to be more accessible and less expensive in order for people to purchase the humane products over the other.
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It's no secret fact that factory farms are known for having horrific conditions
I'm sorry, but making this type of statement based on a "common knowledge" standard doesn't further the discussion either. It ignores a discussion on what is an acceptable condition for a cow, and what must be missing before you reach "horrific" conditions.

I'd hate to see a myth accepted as fact situation.
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Fact : the put family farmers out of business...it's not difficult to find inoformation on factory farms if you are not familiar with their practises I suggest reading up on them for yourself.

I don't know what myth you are refering to but I wasn't talking about any myths...
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If they want to draw attention to their cause through this ad campaign that's fine. But I think it hurts their cause if they place a Got beer? ad in a college paper in which

-a majority of the readers are under the legal drinking age
-know someone who was physically taken advantage or raped while under the influence
-know someone who has experienced or died from alcohol poisioning
yes. fwiw, no alcohol is advertised at my college (as far as i know, at least!) and the general store on campus doesn't even sell cigarettes!

but, i'm sure people still drink. at the very least, i know a friend of mine who attends college there too. we've lost touch since we started going there, but i know in high school she'd throw back a couple (we're talking 1-2 beers max) at a party.

i'm not naive in knowing that i'm sure lots of people in my classes drink, i just can't believe how many underage people do it, and how people act like keggers are a part of college life, although the average person only goes to college for 4 years. you do the math. if you start @ 18, you'll graduate by 21. (like me!) if you start @ 19, it'll be 22, and so on. that's not very much time where you can legally drink.

luckily, i don't know anyone in the other two categories (not yet at least) and there's been no widespread stories since i've been going there about someone dying in the hands of alcohol on campus. at the very least, i don't think my school's paper would allow an alcohol ad, even if it was something slightly satirical like the got beer? ads. they don't even advertise cigarettes in the paper, so i guess this isn't even an issue for my college.

btw, i go to a public college, a state college at that.
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Re: Got.....beer????????????

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The New Hampshire, the student newspaper at the University of New Hampshire, rejected an advertisement from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) that spoofed the Got Milk? ads.
Glad to see the college made the right decision.



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And as far as advertising for beer on the college campus, I'm not sure about the others here, but beer companies advertise on all the college campuses I've been to, and I see it as no more harmful than those ads or having bars or seeling alchohol on the campus.
No alcohol is advertised on campus where I went to college, or where my sister goes to college, or any of the schools my friends went to. That includes liberal art colleges & state universities.
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