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Old 02-17-2012, 06:45 PM   #1
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GOP Nominee 2012 - Who Will It Be?, Pt. 4

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is this the 'win one for the gipper' thread ??
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Bringing this post I was typing up over from the last thread-went to hit "post" and realized the thread had closed :

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Well, what ruins this joke for some I suppose is the fact that abstinence remains the cheapest AND most effective form of birth control with the added bonus of STD prevention. Buzzkill I know.
Yes, it does. But people in committed relationships, or married couples, are going to want to have sex, for reasons that have nothing to do with getting pregnant and having kids, and will want to naturally have protection so they have less chance of an unplanned/unwanted pregnancy. Buzzkill, I know.

Nothing wrong with discussing and supporting the idea of abstinence. It just should be discussed as AN option among many, not THE sole option.

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Now if we could find a pill for Humorless Liberal Syndrome.
Don't need one. We're perfectly capable of figuring out what's funny. The Republican primary has been a total laugh riot for us.

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One of those people unfortunately writes for one of (maybe it is the biggest, not sure) the biggest daily metropolitan newspapers in Australia.

Presidential hopefuls marry family with politics | Daily Telegraph Miranda Devine Blog

She seems to be suggesting that a lengthy, heterosexual marriage is the only quality worth having if you're a prospective president.
Course, she also hints at the "Stepford wife" thing, too. Yes, most of these people have been married to one woman and one woman only, and that's great, it's a nice thing to see. But their families seem to project a "We're so perfect, and you all should be perfect like us" image.

And if they have found the person they love and want to spend their lives with, I don't understand, then, why they have such trouble with the idea of letting other people get that chance. Like stated, you would think conservatives would be PRO-gay marriage. For all the conservatives bellyaching about how marriage is becoming less and less common, it seems strange that their actions are just adding to the amount of people not being married.

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So, and again excuse my total ignorance on the subject... but are you all hoping that the republican party eventually ceases to exist? Or becomes such a minority that a democratic party will always win? Or are there republican politicians out there capable of doing the job who won't send the country back to the "good old days"?
If the GOP continues on with the sort of attitude it has now, especially on social issues, I think it could well die eventually anyway, as the younger generations come up and realize that this sort of attitude is very unappealing and outdated. Add in that the GOP's main base tends to be old, white people (men especially), and that kind of hurts its chances, since you have to appeal to a WHOLE lot of other people beyond that group if you want any shot at winning anything (course, so long as money and corporate interests have the stronghold they do, maybe the diversity of the people who support you doesn't matter as much after all).

No, I don't want the party to die out-I do think there are still reasonable conservatives out there. Conservatives who don't freak so much about social issues, and who come up with economic ideas other than "tax cuts for the rich! Trickle down theory!" If those people can start coming up and running, I'd be more than happy to listen to what they had to say, and could even find common ground with them, maybe even vote for one if I think their ideas are worthy and smart enough. I don't think it's good for a democracy to have one party continuously win power, especially since the Democrats have their own share of problems, too (some of which involve Democrats whose views are so conservative they might as well call themselves GOP candidates-that party's record on things like gay rights and such isn't exactly perfect and ideal, either).

What should ultimately happen, though, I think, is that more political options should be available out there besides just the two parties. The Democrats, the Republicans, the Greens, you name it, if it's a legitimate political party, it should have its equal time in the spotlight to be heard. So far the battle for control is just between two big choices, and both of them have left their bases, and independents, very disillusioned over the years. I think we deserve better than that as a nation.

I also think the bases need to open up and be a little more realistic, too. Not everything gets solved overnight, some of your ideas and thoughts do come off as kooky to the other side, and the president has other people to think of besides just you. He or she should do what is best for the nation as a whole, not what is best for a select group of people.
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Well, what ruins this joke for some I suppose is the fact that abstinence remains the cheapest AND most effective form of birth control
abstinence is second best,
the cheapest AND most effective form of birth control, is being a regular Rush Limbaugh listener.
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Perhaps it was a sophisticated argument for more oral sex? No one needs birth control for that.

I'm all for it, so long as hetero guys make sure they give as good as they get.
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Romney's struggles fuel talk of brokered convention | Reuters

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Romney is the best financed and organized of the Republican candidates and long has been considered the likely nominee. But the former Massachusetts governor and private equity executive has failed so far to take control of the race.

Who would Republicans turn to if not Romney or Santorum? Think of two popular governors, Mitch Daniels of Indiana and Chris Christie of New Jersey, or former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, or even U.S. congressman Paul Ryan, author of a budget plan popular with Republicans.
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From the last thread:

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Well, what ruins this joke for some I suppose is the fact that abstinence remains the cheapest AND most effective form of birth control with the added bonus of STD prevention. Buzzkill I know.
We should all be abstinent.

Because certainly when I look around at families today who have 1 or 2, maybe 3 children and don't wish to have more (unlike say, my grandparents' generation of good Catholics all of whom had 6+), or at childless couples by choice, or at young professionals who live together before marriage or without marriage and responsibly choose to have children when they are prepared for them - emotionally, mentally, financially - my feeling is that it would be much, much better if they all used abstinence. What with its high rate of efficacy, since everybody is able to hold down their natural biological urges, we'd all be better off.

If you are and adult in a happy, healthy, committed relationships with a person that you love deeply and with whom you share your life - good and bad - whether consecrated by marriage, civil union, cohabitation or otherwise, there is nothing wrong with wanting to have sex with them. It is normal and it is healthy and to suggest to these people that Rick Santorum knows better and that abstinence is the best (and of course this means only women holding their legs closed, because we all get pregnant by way of immaculate conception) because condoms and pills are somehow intrinsically evil is deeply offensive.
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This guy is like the gift that keeps on giving:

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We all know that this country was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic but the Judeo-Christian ethic was a Protestant Judeo-Christian ethic, sure the Catholics had some influence, but this was a Protestant country and the Protestant ethic, mainstream, mainline Protestantism, and of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it.
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If you are and adult in a happy, healthy, committed relationships with a person that you love deeply and with whom you share your life - good and bad - whether consecrated by marriage, civil union, cohabitation or otherwise, there is nothing wrong with wanting to have sex with them. It is normal and it is healthy and to suggest to these people that Rick Santorum knows better and that abstinence is the best (and of course this means only women holding their legs closed, because we all get pregnant by way of immaculate conception) because condoms and pills are somehow intrinsically evil is deeply offensive.

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Wow-how very Christian of you Rick

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — White House candidate Rick Santorum on Saturday questioned President Barack Obama's Christian values and attacked GOP rival Mitt Romney's Olympics leadership as he courted tea party activists and evangelical voters in Ohio, "ground zero" in the 2012 nomination fight.

Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator known for his social conservative policies, said that Obama's agenda is "not about you. It's not about your quality of life. It's not about your jobs. It's about some phony ideal. Some phony theology. Not a theology based on the Bible. A different theology."
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It is normal and it is healthy and to suggest to these people that Rick Santorum knows better and that abstinence is the best (and of course this means only women holding their legs closed, because we all get pregnant by way of immaculate conception) because condoms and pills are somehow intrinsically evil is deeply offensive.
I don't think contraception is intrinsically evil.

Nor do I believe contraception is intrinsically a right to be provided at no cost.

What kinda "extremist" does that make me?
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You don't get to deny it as health care because of religion. If you can find a legitimate reason, then let's talk.

This is not a Christian nation. Period.
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I don't recall anitram saying contraception is intrinsically a right to be covered at no cost. However, both a federal district court (Erickson v. Bartell Drug Co., 2001) and the EEOC (2000) have already ruled that for employers (with ≥15 employees) to exclude prescription contraceptives from otherwise comprehensive health benefit plans--i.e., plans including coverage of prescription drugs and devices generally--violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, discriminating against women by singling out prescription contraceptives for denial of coverage. (The Bush Administration made no attempt to challenge these decisions.) If anything, the new policy constitutes a concession to religious groups.

I don't think it helps opponents of the new policy to downplay Foster Friess' monumentally ill-timed "humor." Even Santorum had the common sense to say that it was "a bad joke, a stupid joke, and not reflective of me or my record on this issue."
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