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Old 07-14-2012, 01:14 PM   #886
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Why? The democrats are actually playing effective politics for the first time since the Clintons.
So this is a game now.

So it's all about political winners and losers while my generation, for the first time in American history, passes on to the next generation an America with less prosperity, less opportunity and less individual liberty.
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I suppose you're right. America IS exceptional when it comes to the uninsured, and it IS exceptional in that a segment of the population doesn't care.
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I suppose you're right. America IS exceptional when it comes to the uninsured, and it IS exceptional in that a segment of the population doesn't care.
I'm trying to be civil here but what a truly asinine statement.

Do you not recognize any form of private enterprise or charity, personal compassion or philanthropy, to be the equal of compulsory, collective government egalitarianism?
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I'm trying to be civil here but what a truly asinine statement.

Do you not recognize any form of private enterprise or charity, personal compassion or philanthropy, to be the equal of compulsory, collective government egalitarianism?

I suppose this is all you can do to even have a discussion anymore. Create fantasy positions for other people and then stand dramatically opposed.

This is HEALTH CARE we are talking about, and this is why you are an anti-government zealot. Everything is a Bolshevick plot to you.
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I suppose this is all you can do to even have a discussion anymore. Create fantasy positions for other people and then stand dramatically opposed.

This is HEALTH CARE we are talking about, and this is why you are an anti-government zealot. Everything is a Bolshevick plot to you.
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Wow, for real? Keep going, your posts make my point better than I ever could.
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That's one definition of American exceptionalism, hence this president's desire to "fundamentally change" this country with more government, more laws, more entitlements and more dependency.

That's not what made us the most prosperous nation in history Irvine.

As opposed to the anti-capitalist, attack Haliburton, attack Wal-Mart, attack Bain, attack oil companies and tax the rich platitudinous sloganeering that passes for policy debate in the modern Democratic Party.
Hence, Bolshevick plots.
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anti-capitalist, attack Haliburton, attack Wal-Mart, attack Bain, attack oil companies and tax the rich platitudinous sloganeering that passes for policy debate in the modern Democratic Party.
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Hence, Bolshevick plots.
I'm not sure what you take issue with here. I've heard nearly every single one of those opinions espoused here, repeatedly, by those who claim to be of the Democratic Party.
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I'm not sure what you take issue with here. I've heard nearly every single one of those opinions espoused here, repeatedly, by those who claim to be of the Democratic Party.


I take issue with Professor INDY's sweeping "understanding" of American history and how the Affordable Care Act cosmically alters everything.
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how the Affordable Care Act cosmically alters everything.


The White House recognizes it. And those that don't now... will eventually.*




*Does that come across as too red-baiting?
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I'm sure you'd see it that way.

Or, just maybe, theres an enormous amount of good in the ACA that will improve lives, and for the working poor it really is a BFD.
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this one is a winner

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The White House recognizes it. And those that don't now... will eventually.*




*Does that come across as too red-baiting?
If that's legitimately being sold on Obama's official website, that's classless.
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the goal is to get beyond class
we are all Americans
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If that's legitimately being sold on Obama's official website, that's classless.
https://store.barackobama.com/?p=2
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