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Old 04-04-2012, 06:39 PM   #556
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President Obama obviously doesn't believe in personal liberty.
Any speeches given in this country to Americans?

My point is the president doesn't speak in terms of personal liberty but instead in the language of group rights and collective responsibility. His goal isn't equal opportunity for all but "social justice" and equality of outcome.
It's also clear that he views moral belief systems practiced outside the domain of government to be, at best, inconvenient and at worst, dangerous.
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What's the source for that number?
Forbes, then back to an analysis from the Tax Policy Center (which is regarded as left-leaning by some on the other side of the asile).

Via Forbes:
  • TPC looked only at the tax reductions in Ryan’s plan, which also included offsetting–but unidentified–cuts in tax credits, exclusions, and deductions.
  • TPC found that in 2015, relative to today’s tax system, those making $1 million or more would enjoy an average tax cut of $265,000 and see their after-tax income increase by 12.5 percent.
  • By contrast, half of those making between $20,000 and $30,000 would get no tax cut at all. On average, people in that income group would get a tax reduction of $129. Ryan would raise their after-tax income by 0.5 percent.
  • Nearly all middle-income households (those making between $50,000 and $75,000) would see their taxes fall, by an average of roughly $1,000. Ryan would increase their after-tax income by about 2 percent.
  • Ryan would extend all of the 2001/2003 tax cuts, and then consolidate individual rates to just two—10 and 25 percent.
  • Earlier this week, TPC projected the tax cuts in Ryan’s budget would add $4.6 trillion to the federal deficit over the next decade, even after extending the 2001/2003 tax cuts, which would add another $5.4 trillion to the deficit.

We are talking individual tax rates here. This is not the tax policy of a man who actually gives s flying fuck about deficit reduction. Compare the after tax income changes...this is nothing but a handout to the upper crust of society.

I do support cutting corporate taxes, however, as Ryan has proposed. As well as simplifying the tax code.

I dug up a four-year old counterpoint from some blogger at NewsBusters, if you want (one of my favourite right-wing light reading sources...they sure love putting exclamation points in headlines!).
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It's also clear that he views moral belief systems practiced outside the domain of government to be, at best, inconvenient and at worst, dangerous.
Such as...?
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It's also clear that he views moral belief systems practiced outside the domain of government to be, at best, inconvenient and at worst, dangerous.
Yes, please do elaborate.
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My point is the president doesn't speak in terms of personal liberty but instead in the language of group rights and collective responsibility. His goal isn't equal opportunity for all but "social justice" and equality of outcome.
Hold on. Why is social justice at odds with personal liberty all of a sudden? Why are these things mutually exclusive, either/or ideas?
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One could make the argument that patriotism (at least the kind that accomplishes anything worthwhile) wouldn't exist without collective responsibility.
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Santorum suspends GOP presidential campaign - latimes.com

well, this really is not news

except for the fact that Romney will be burning less cash in these primaries
and the November election will be the only focus now.
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Gosh, what a shame.

(Best wishes to the family in regards to their sick little daughter, though. No, really!)
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Romney was already pivoting to the national campaign over the last few weeks in his rhetoric, as well as Obama. I think having a definitive target now helps both campaigns as they ramp up for the national conventions.
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Santorum suspends GOP presidential campaign - latimes.com

well, this really is not news

except for the fact that Romney will be burning less cash in these primaries
and the November election will be the only focus now.
Not news? It just basically ended the GOP primaries. That's pretty big news. This thing was definitely going all the way to Tampa previous to that.

It'll be interesting to see what happens to votes going towards Newt and Paul at this point. Is there really a 'real conservative' vote that refuses to vote for Romney? Despite the fact that he's pretty much a lock for the nomination now, it's going to be very telling if people still wont vote for him by majority in some states such as Texas. That could have big implications for the 2012 elections come November.
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(Best wishes to the family in regards to their sick little daughter, though. No, really!)
Agreed with this. I feel for the poor little girl and the family having to deal with that.

But as for Santorum no longer being a presidential candidate? Thank goodness.
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How odd that he has decided to terminate this long into the campaign. That goes against everything he stands for...
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Conveniently, right before the Penn. primary.
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How odd that he has decided to terminate this long into the campaign. That goes against everything he stands for...
That was bad .
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yes he decided to abort, and not allow it to go to full term
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