GOP Nominee 2012 - Who Will It Be?, Pt. 4 - Page 17 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 03-07-2012, 12:43 AM   #241
ONE
love, blood, life
 
namkcuR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Kettering, Ohio
Posts: 10,290
Local Time: 08:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by deep
Gingrich absolutely wont quit,
there are some Southern primaries coming up where he could pull off some wins.
But even if he wins a couple more of those Southern states, he can't win the nomination, so what's his endgame?
__________________

__________________
namkcuR is offline  
Old 03-07-2012, 12:48 AM   #242
ONE
love, blood, life
 
LuckyNumber7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Leicester, UK
Posts: 12,378
Local Time: 08:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by namkcuR View Post
But even if he wins a couple more of those Southern states, he can't win the nomination, so what's his endgame?
A brokered convention...
__________________

__________________
LuckyNumber7 is offline  
Old 03-07-2012, 12:55 AM   #243
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,501
Local Time: 05:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by namkcuR View Post
But even if he wins a couple more of those Southern states, he can't win the nomination, so what's his endgame?
If Romney does not get the 1144 delegates, he will get over 1000, probably 1100.

Gingrich and Santorum could be in the 450-500 range.

I think Gingrich is practical enough that he would work a deal with the Romney camp
if not VP, then for a place in the cabinet and prominent place in the campaign.
__________________
deep is offline  
Old 03-07-2012, 01:13 AM   #244
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,501
Local Time: 05:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2861U2 View Post
I'll go with this, but a couple of these could go either way.

Romney- OH, VA, VT, MA, ID, AK
Santorum- OK, TN
Gingrich- GA, ND
Paul- zilch
aside from ND, looks like you were right.
__________________
deep is offline  
Old 03-07-2012, 07:27 AM   #245
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Popmartijn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 32,543
Local Time: 02:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irvine511 View Post
not at all a blow-out for Romney. kind of a tough night.

just how hard could it be to beat Rick freaking Santorum?
I think this graph is quite telling. It shows the results in Ohio by county.


Romney got the big cities, Santorum got the rest.
__________________
Popmartijn is offline  
Old 03-07-2012, 08:30 AM   #246
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
2861U2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: watching the Cubs
Posts: 4,255
Local Time: 08:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irvine511 View Post
and he outspent Santorum, what, 5-1 in OH?
But in the major markets, where that money was spent, Romney won by comfortable margins.

It was a fine night for Romney. He got 6 out of 10 (including Ohio, where he was down in the polls until about 72 hours ago), and came in second in 3 of the 4 other states. He'll win more than 50% of the delegates at stake last night, which is pretty impressive in a four-way race. It also shows that despite Santorum's strengths, he has a hard time closing. His money may start to dry up.

I just looked at the raw numbers, and turnout in Ohio was up more than 100,000 from 2008.
__________________
2861U2 is online now  
Old 03-07-2012, 09:17 AM   #247
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,498
Local Time: 08:46 AM
yes, so Romney won by outspending Rick Santorum by 5-1 and only barely beat him. it seems preposterous to think that Romney is going to take this state from Obama.

he cannot win a Southern state, which is where the heart of the GOP is (VA can't count since it's a weird hybrid and only he and Paul were on the ballot. Romney won states that Obama is guaranteed to win in the fall and only had to beat Paul in VA. he has little support with blue collar workers and evangelicals.

i assume he'll be the nominee but why is this so hard to do?

the biggest hope for Romney is that his weaknesses in the primary -- a Mormon, from Mass, believes in universal health care -- will be strengths in the general.

curious about the numbers -- did some googling and can't find any good data.
__________________
Irvine511 is online now  
Old 03-07-2012, 09:48 AM   #248
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 24,989
Local Time: 08:46 AM
Speaking of being concerned about the economy..

Maybe the GOP should adopt this nationwide, right now. Oops, there goes Newt. Or maybe there's a grandfather clause for x number of years of service to the GOP/come to Jesus after screwing around on your wives.

TPM


Jillian Rayfield March 5, 2012

Before you can join the Laurens County Republican Party in South Carolina and get on the primary ballot, they ask that you pledge that you’ve never ever had pre-marital sex — and that you will never ever look at porn again.

Last Tuesday, the LCGOP unanimously adopted a resolution that would ask all candidates who want to get on the primary ballot to sign a pledge with 28 principles, because the party “does not want to associate with candidates who do not act and speak in a manner that is consistent with the SC Republican Party Platform.”

Among the principles, according to Vic MacDonald & Larry Franklin of the Clinton Chronicle, is standard fare like opposition to abortion and upholding gun rights, as well as “a compassionate and moral approach to Teen Pregnancy” and “a high regard for United States Sovereignty.”

But then they get even more specific. From the Chronicle:

You must favor, and live up to, abstinence before marriage.

You must be faithful to your spouse. Your spouse cannot be a person of the same gender, and you are not allowed to favor any government action that would allow for civil unions of people of the same sex.

You cannot now, from the moment you sign this pledge, look at pornography.



It is unclear how they will precisely determine this (or regulate it), but an unidentified potential candidate for office in Laurens County told the Chronicle that candidates will be interviewed by a three-person subcommittee, who will then recommend to the full executive committee whether to allow the candidate on the ballot.

Bobby Smith, who chairs the Laurens County Republican Party, explained that “people feel the platform has not been adhered to. We want candidates to believe in and uphold the party’s platform.”

Though at first the resolution would have required candidates to sign the pledge, Smith clarified in a statement Monday that “due to various legal issues” the LCGOP cannot require that the candidates sign the pledge if they meet all of the other qualifications for a run. But, he said, the committee “reserves the right to vet its candidates and will encourage all candidates to uphold the principles of the party’s platform as well as petition candidates to sign a pledge to do so. However, no candidate will be denied access to the Republican Party primary ballot for refusing to sign the pledge.”

State GOP chairman Chad Connelly told the Chronicle that he doesn’t necessarily oppose the idea. “If we are wearing the same uniform I want to be sure we are kicking the ball toward the same goal, or are you moving against me.”
__________________
MrsSpringsteen is online now  
Old 03-07-2012, 09:55 AM   #249
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 24,989
Local Time: 08:46 AM
Marcy Kaptur beat Dennis Kucinich, so he's out

COLUMBUS, Ohio—An Ohio plumber thrust into national politics during the 2008 presidential campaign has won the Republican nomination in his home state as he makes a bid for Congress.

Samuel Wurzelbacher gained the nickname "Joe the Plumber" for expressing working-class concerns about taxes to then-candidate Barack Obama during a stop to the region.

The Toledo-area plumber defeated Steve Kraus, a Sandusky real estate agent, early Wednesday to grab the GOP nomination in Ohio's 9th Congressional District.

He faces an uphill climb in the fall against veteran U.S. Rep. Marcy Kaptur, who won the Democratic primary. The newly drawn district snaking along the Lake Erie shoreline from Toledo to Cleveland tilts toward Democrats.
__________________
MrsSpringsteen is online now  
Old 03-07-2012, 11:27 AM   #250
Blue Crack Addict
 
mikal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Black Lodge
Posts: 24,917
Local Time: 07:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen View Post
Marcy Kaptur beat Dennis Kucinich, so he's out

COLUMBUS, Ohio—An Ohio plumber thrust into national politics during the 2008 presidential campaign has won the Republican nomination in his home state as he makes a bid for Congress.

Samuel Wurzelbacher gained the nickname "Joe the Plumber" for expressing working-class concerns about taxes to then-candidate Barack Obama during a stop to the region.

The Toledo-area plumber defeated Steve Kraus, a Sandusky real estate agent, early Wednesday to grab the GOP nomination in Ohio's 9th Congressional District.

He faces an uphill climb in the fall against veteran U.S. Rep. Marcy Kaptur, who won the Democratic primary. The newly drawn district snaking along the Lake Erie shoreline from Toledo to Cleveland tilts toward Democrats.
That's just scary.
__________________
mikal is online now  
Old 03-07-2012, 12:57 PM   #251
ONE
love, blood, life
 
LuckyNumber7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Leicester, UK
Posts: 12,378
Local Time: 08:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irvine511 View Post
i assume he'll be the nominee but why is this so hard to do?
I wouldn't be so quick to assume. If Santorum, Gingrich, and Paul all stick with this and nobody backs out, there's a fair chance that nobody wins through popular vote.
__________________
LuckyNumber7 is offline  
Old 03-07-2012, 02:51 PM   #252
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,501
Local Time: 05:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irvine511 View Post
yes, so Romney won by outspending Rick Santorum by 5-1 and only barely beat him. it seems preposterous to think that Romney is going to take this state from Obama.

he cannot win a Southern state, which is where the heart of the GOP is (VA can't count since it's a weird hybrid and only he and Paul were on the ballot. Romney won states that Obama is guaranteed to win in the fall and only had to beat Paul in VA. he has little support with blue collar workers and evangelicals.

i assume he'll be the nominee but why is this so hard to do?

the biggest hope for Romney is that his weaknesses in the primary -- a Mormon, from Mass, believes in universal health care -- will be strengths in the general.

curious about the numbers -- did some googling and can't find any good data.
he is doing very well in the places that matter

and good in the places that don't


what doesn't matter? - red states, those are a lock, those will all go for the GOP, Romney for sure.

the purple and light blue states? doing very well, this what really matters,
all of the people that go to the polls for Gingrich or Santorum, say they will vote for the GOP nominee if it is Romney. The only Santorum voters he will not get are the Democrats that voted Santorum, 5-10 % of turnout. Santorum's numbers in MI and OH were inflated by Dem mischief voting.

This is very interesting, Romney got more Catholic vote than Santorum in both MI and Ohio. Isn't he a life long Catholic? Can you imagine if Romney lost the Mormon vote in any state?

As for Romney's spending. Very impressive, his campaign seems to be very smart. They go from being down two weeks before and spending just the right amount to win. No over spending. Organizational, and management skills are very strong.
__________________
deep is offline  
Old 03-07-2012, 03:00 PM   #253
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,501
Local Time: 05:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by deep View Post


divine intervention ?

First Read - Romney campaign says losing nomination would take 'act of God'
__________________
deep is offline  
Old 03-07-2012, 03:00 PM   #254
ONE
love, blood, life
 
LuckyNumber7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Leicester, UK
Posts: 12,378
Local Time: 08:46 AM
Well then, Rick Perry it is.
__________________
LuckyNumber7 is offline  
Old 03-07-2012, 03:15 PM   #255
Blue Crack Addict
 
Moonlit_Angel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In a dimension known as the Twilight Zone...do de doo doo, do de doo doo...
Posts: 19,271
Local Time: 07:46 AM
MrsSpringsteen, that story about the party in South Carolina...good lord .

Quote:
It is unclear how they will precisely determine this (or regulate it)
I'm afraid to know the answer to that, too (ah, there's that good ol' "small government interference" the Republicans love so much rearing its head again !).

And it's so good to know Joe the Plumber is back. Sigh.

As for that story from a few pages back about him in comparison to Fluke-here's the thing. Nobody called Joe a "slut". Nobody got on him about personal matters such as sexual activity. And Carrie Prejean came out against gay marriage because of her "good Christian values" all the while doing things that some would consider being against her religious views. She came off like kind of a massive hypocrite. I do agree that a politician's views on such topics hold more weight and concern for me than what Joe the Plumber or Carrie Prejean or even Sandra Fluke think, since the politicians can make the actual decisions and laws about such things that will affect me.

But there's specific reasons why Joe and Carrie got targeted, not so much because their views were conservative, but because they were full of ignorance. And I think if you are going to be in the public eye and say things that can be seen as untrue or hypocritical or whatnot, you should be called out on it. And that goes for both sides.

Quote:
Originally Posted by U2DMfan View Post
I don't know the specific law, but if an adult Jehovah's Witness allowed his child to die because of refusal of blood transfusion, that isn't "religious freedom" to me. They should be carted off to jail on the spot. As a people, we are allowed - even by the Constitution - to deem what is reasonable.

Anyhow, it's 2012. Don't call us crazy or liberal of Leftist for simply not following all of the 2 and 3,000 year old dogmas that were originally designed to keep horny men from fucking everything that moves. Lewis Black had a great routine about this very subject. Many of us have a strong moral code. And ironically, it may have even come from religion directly. Why are we seeing such a great Libertarian wave among some conservatives (say aged 40 to 45 and under)? The partisan bullshit is getting more and more apparent.
Thank you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by U2DMfan View Post
When you take something like this issue, with all of the important things on the table, all it really does is serve to show how silly it all is. The partisan bullshit. Why only now are Rush's advertisers jumping ship? Why not amid of the other countless controversies?
I wondered about that, too. Lord knows this isn't the first time Rush has said something horrendously stupid/offensive.

And this whole debate is so insane and stupid. Nobody is trying to trample on anyone's precious religious beliefs. All we're saying, ALL we want, is for women to be able to have birth control covered under any insurance their employers may offer them. As I've said before, I don't HAVE any health insurance-I'd love to have that. And yes, I would want birth control covered under it. There are many reasons beyond pregnancy why women use it-anyone with a working brain would know this. Married women use it. Women in committed, long-term relationships use it. This idea that only unmarried women who run around having one night stands are the ones using birth control is crazy and blatantly untrue. If Viagra can be covered and nobody sees a problem with it or finds it "offensive" to their "morals", I don't get why birth control being covered is so much worse. Can somebody PLEASE explain to me why one is okay but the other isn't? Please?

Seriously. It's. Not. That. Complicated.

Quote:
Originally Posted by U2DMfan View Post
I predict that the best thing that occurs after this 2012 election season is that the conservative movement seriously re-evaluates itself.
I truly hope that happens. They could use a massive wake-up call.
__________________

__________________
Moonlit_Angel is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com