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Old 01-05-2012, 03:53 PM   #121
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Romney is very, very much on the wrong side of the prevailing mood, on both sides (and globally). Obama is not doing great, but my bet is he takes Romney fairly easily in the end.
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I would not vote for Christie, with a BMI that high.

A lack of self discipline concerning weight and health issues is very serious.

Obesity is one of our most preventable health issues.

Our health system costs are a top concern, not to mention shortened life spans and quality of life.


Having an obese Surgeon Generall is not a good thing.

She has been in office for 2 years. I keep hoping she will set a positive example and bring her BMI down a few points. It may still happen.
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Romney is very, very much on the wrong side of the prevailing mood, on both sides (and globally). Obama is not doing great, but my bet is he takes Romney fairly easily in the end.

I kind of have been thinking that too.

But then I can see a couple of different outcomes too.

I think in a few more months, probably around June, I will feel confident enough to make my call.
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he would have made a terriffice Liberal
Perhaps in part because of the misspelling, I initially read this as "he would have made a terrorist Liberace."


I actually think Christie's appearance (weight) would in all likelihood render him inelectable no matter how well he campaigned; he's too overweight to pull off the "just a portly guy" thing. His persona would make for some brilliant parody though. (I rather like him, actually)
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Romney is very, very much on the wrong side of the prevailing mood, on both sides (and globally). Obama is not doing great, but my bet is he takes Romney fairly easily in the end.

the very broad, very quick CW over here is that the three "leaders" represent three different factions of the GOP/American right:

Romney: rich people who want to stay rich and want American foreign policy to feel like it did in the 1980s
Paul: libertarian-ish people who don't want Hillary to tell them what to do, also the Black Helicopter conspiracy crowd
Santorum: religious fanatics who envy more about Iran than they'd care to admit

what GWB did very well was that he was able to sew together these contentious groups by offering up not just the bluest of the blue blood pedigrees but equal doses proud ignorance and "witnessing" 'bout Jesus. that was enough to squeak out a win in 2004. (we'll ignore 2000, as that was the year that the US officially jumped the shark/nuked the fridge).

Romney's issue is that the Paul people think he looks like the guy who fired their dad, and the fanatics think he's a cultist who's secretly pro-choice.

Romney uses his apparent sanity to make it close until about late September when the upper middle class suburbs start to break for Obama, and then we get a margin of victory equal to 2008.

economic signs, at least on this side of the Atlantic, are much improving. no, it's not 1983, or 1996, but it isn't 2009 or 1979 either.
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Both have to get the extreme ends out to vote as well. Relatively easy for Romney as on the far nutty right, Obama !!!SOCIALIST!!! hate is so strong, and they'll want to STAND UP!!! AND SAVE AMERICA!!! FOR FREEDOM!!!, plus it's been proven they'll huff and puff and then you just add some dumb as a post fundamentalist nutcase as VP and you've got them straight back. Throw Santorum in there. Nuke the gay Iranians for Jesus, and all that. Perfect. But for Obama? Seems he might have his work cut out for him?
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the "BOMB IRAN BEFORE THEY MAKE US GAY MARRY ABORTIONISTS" crowd is, thankfully, far more represented in the primaries than in the general election. the things that stimulate the base are actually much more personal characteristics that a candidate either has, or doesn't have. is he "one of us"? GWB came off like "one of us" for the religious base of the party, and they showed up. Santorum more or less does, though he's Catholic. no matter who Romney promises to discriminate against, he's fundamentally (ha! n00t!) not "one of us."

and, in fairness, Obama, to me, felt like "one of us." like he was from my class of people, shared my values, viewed the world in the same way i did, and someone that, yes, i'd like to have a beer with. it does work both ways. so even though Obama might be much more Christian than i'd ever be in my life, i know he'd never be a dick about it. and it's also why i cut him the benefit of the doubt so many times, and why i believe that he really is for same-sex marriage, and other things of that nature. whether good or bad, there's something personal about the American presidency that's not true about, say, a Prime Minister.

but general elections are usually won by playing to the middle (or scaring the middle). so you'll hear tough talk against Iran, but the GOP nominee, no matter who it is, will not actually advocate military action against their nuclear sites (even though Santorum has said this in the primary).

the election will not be a cakewalk. but if the economy is improving, as it appears to be, then it will take something major to unseat Obama. in my opinion. because only 10-15% of the country actually thinks he's a Kenyan Marxist secret agent recruited by the Soviets to destroy America from the inside out.
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economic signs, at least on this side of the Atlantic, are much improving.
I know this is going to sound awfully arrogant seeing as I don't even live in the US...but, according to my sources, well, you're just flat wrong here. I am seeing no signs. Where are the green shoots?

Some analyst was saying recently that the best hope for improvement in US economy in the near term is capital flight from Europe induced by a sovereign debt and/or currency crisis! There is a small but finite chance of this, certainly, but I wouldn't exactly bet the ranch either.

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no, it's not 1983, or 1996, but it isn't 2009 or 1979 either.
As in the 1979 when less than 30% of all jobs were low income jobs, as compared to more than 40% today? You're right, it isn't 1979, it's a lot worse.

30 Statistics That Show That The Middle Class Is Dying Right In Front Of Our Eyes As We Enter 2012
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Paul: libertarian-ish people who don't want Hillary to tell them what to do, also the Black Helicopter conspiracy crowd
The Paul base is quite interesting to me. There's the anti-war contingent, there are people with an interest in finance who follow the Austrian school, there's the white nationalist fringe, you've got your survivalists too and there's some cross-over between the latter two groups, though it's unfair to view all survivalists as racists.

What a lot of people don't realise is his relatively strong support base among well-educated youth. This was building through a grassroots online campaign at a time when he was being ignored by the war party shilling MSM.
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Obama and Paul are easily the two favorite candidates of people my age, no doubt.
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Really? That's very interesting.
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I know this is going to sound awfully arrogant seeing as I don't even live in the US...but, according to my sources, well, you're just flat wrong here. I am seeing no signs. Where are the green shoots?

i am hardly an economist. i just know what i read in the news.

Consumer Comfort in U.S. Climbs to Five-Month High: Economy - BusinessWeek



i know conspiracies and doomsday scenarios involving the overhaul of modern life are sexy, but it really doesn't seem as if capitalism is over just yet.

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i am hardly an economist. i just know what i read in the news.

Consumer Comfort in U.S. Climbs to Five-Month High: Economy - BusinessWeek



i know conspiracies and doomsday scenarios involving the overhaul of modern life are sexy, but it really doesn't seem as if capitalism is over just yet.

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There are no solutions to the problems engendered by the collapse of two (arguably, three) enormous successive credit bubbles that do not involve hardship, dislocation, bad stuff, etc.
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Really? That's very interesting.
what would you have expected? i am curious.
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what would you have expected? i am curious.
Well, I don't really know what I would have expected. It probably confirms an impression I had, but being a bit of a Paul fan I feared I might have over-estimated his support among "the youth", plus on here there are plenty of Americans, most of them youngish, and yet support for Paulite policy gains no traction.
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