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Old 01-12-2012, 03:17 PM   #346
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Are you two seriously trying to equate the invasion and occupation of a foreign nation with nothing to do with Joe the Plumber with healthcare and the destitute in America?

What the hell is wrong with you?!
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:18 PM   #347
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Are you that out of it that you don't know Iraq is headed for a bloody civil war? A war that may result in the overthrow of the current shakey Instant Ramen Democracy and replace it with an oppressive religious or military-headed regime?

Fox and Rush stopped talking about the Iraq war when they realized Obama was running it the same way Bush was.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:25 PM   #348
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What the fucccccck are you two talking about?????

Are you that out of it that you don't know Iraq is headed for a bloody civil war? A war that may result in the overthrow of the current shakey Instant Ramen Democracy and replace it with an oppressive religious or military-headed regime?
Because the war was handled horribly.

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Of course they are, but I'm trying to appeal to the present Tea Party mentality.

Don't pretend(not you, but those that I see align with the present Tea Party) you're for human rights but you want to take away health insurance for the poor. Don't pretend you're a Christian if you want the wealthy completely unregulated but you want to intervene in the lives of those that are on welfare.
Mhm, I understand what you're saying. And yes, I'll agree that there's a lot of hypocrisy to around, including on my side of the aisle.

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Are you two seriously trying to equate the invasion and occupation of a foreign nation with nothing to do with Joe the Plumber with healthcare and the destitute in America?

What the hell is wrong with you?!
I was blatantly just trying to make a point about the attitude expressed in the original post. Pretty sure I've already clarified that once.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:32 PM   #349
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Because the war was handled horribly.
That accounts for some of it.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:34 PM   #350
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I'll be honest: I don't know how I would've handled it. The way it was handled seems a disaster. But, considering the amount of atrocities the Iraqis were suffering under Saddam Hussein, and considering the amount of information we had suggesting he had WMD's, I'm not sure I could've sat down and done nothing.
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So you have faith that what you were sold in 2002 was honest?
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Hello Caleb8844

This Iraq situation is not going anywhere
it can be examined for years, and as more time goes by, most people will come to the conclusion that the Weapons of Mass Destruction was a 100 % false construct created by Dick Cheney and his co-horts.

This false construct
along with Bush Admin people giving public speeches saying they had 100% conclusive evidence that there was a direct link to Saddam Hussiens involvement in 911, also 100% false.

Colin Powell says these were fabrications (lies) that soiled his good reputation. That is why he has had a complete falling out with all the Bush people.

What it comes down to,
is that the Bush, Cheney and other Admin people ginned up evidence (and out right lied) to the American people, the U N and World as a pretense to launch the Iraq War.

Over time, as you continue to look at this, you will accept this as a correct version of what occurred.
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I'll be honest: I don't know how I would've handled it. The way it was handled seems a disaster. But, considering the amount of atrocities the Iraqis were suffering under Saddam Hussein, and considering the amount of information we had suggesting he had WMD's, I'm not sure I could've sat down and done nothing.
The testimony of one man (refuted by a foreign intelligence agency and UN weapons inspectors) was used as the entire basis of evidence for going to war in Iraq.

Curveball (informant) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The war had nothing to do at all with the suffering of the Iraqi people.
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There's a good debate to be had over 'Humanitarian Intervention', and it should be had so there's consistency and consensus. There was also a very good argument to be had around needing to ditch the costly, antagonistic (see 9/11) and ineffective (except at killing kids) regime of sanctions and military presence etc that was in place through the 90s, but neither of those debates or arguments had ANYTHING to do with invading Iraq in 2003. You (we - Australia was there too) most certainly did not invade Iraq to save the poor little Iraqis. Believing as much is incredibly naive.
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Hey, but what's > 105,000 Iraqi civilian and ~ 5,000 Coalition deaths when we're dealing with bringing democracy to the middle east, right guys?
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I could dig up youtubes of Bush special speech to the American people right before getting congress to enact legislation for the war.

He looks straight into the camera (the American people and world audience) and says "There is a direct link from Saddam Hussien to 911." (paraphrasing here) Plus he took select members of congress on certain committees with clearance and showed them satellite pictures of the WMDs, and poison lab factories. The CIA said these proofs were not reliable. Cheney then created his "own team of experts" to tell him what he wanted to hear.
Administrations are supposed to rely on the Government's intelligence agencies.
Not create ones that answer to Dick Cheney's agenda.
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My favourite was the mobile chemical labs. They had piping or hoses attached! They moved around a lot! Guys in full body protective clothing operated them! (They're called fire trucks, Colin).
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Hey, but what's > 105,000 Iraqi civilian and ~ 5,000 Coalition deaths when we're dealing with bringing democracy to the middle east, right guys?
I'm still mystified as to how one can "bring" democracy to someone else. To me that kinda goes against the very definition of what democracy is.

Most Americans didn't even have a freakin' clue where Iraq was before we went there, let alone know anything about the history of the area or the people or whatnot. Not to say once they find out about the suffering they don't care, but the pro-Iraq side was all, "Saddam's killing people!" and all I could think was, "Well, where was this noise and complaining before 2003?" Again, Saddam was a friend of ours (in the loosest of terms, at least) at one time, so apparently his attacks on his people didn't seem to bother us too much at one point.
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Are human rights violations sufficient justification for invading foreign countries?
Haven't they been throughout American history?

Revolutionary War
Civil War
Spanish-American War
World War II

I don't want to get into a discussion on Iraq. Like I said, I'm on the other side now from where I used to be.

I'm just trying to figure out the worldview of someone who thinks it is NOT okay to increase the debt to try and prevent rapes, oppression and murder, but thinks it IS okay to increase the debt for endless funding of green energy, education, and pet projects of all sizes with little discussion, oversight or accountability.
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The best way to make sure it doesn't happen again is vote for Ron Paul. It's that simple!
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