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Old 01-12-2012, 02:44 PM   #331
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Basically the number one issue I have with the GOP is that their overall gameplan is to keep the middle class occupied by convincing it that it is at war with the impoverished lower class, and illegal immigrants. At the same time they continue to push for tax breaks for the upper tax classes who (smartly) take that money and squirrel it away in investments when the stock market has taken a beating.
That and the fact that they've stated their main goal is to make Obama a "one-term president". That doesn't really tell me anything about how they'll solve the problems they feel Obama's helped create.

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To democrats: do you all think as anything at all should be done about the skyrocketing debt?
Absolutely. You'll get no argument from me on that.

I would say this to any politician who's bitching about Social Security, calling it a "Ponzi scheme" and such, or complaining about Medicare/Medicaid...if you think it's that horrible, then I sure hope you aren't going to collect your Social Security when the time comes, or lean on the healthcare you're automatically given because you work in the government. Don't take that stuff if you find it so abhorrent and there might actually be something left for the rest of us, especially the younger generations!

Definitely agreed on cutting defense spending. Our focus should be more on improving intelligence gathering and small-scale military operations should we need them, and less on big, dramatic, overblown military setups. I keep hearing about all these fancy new weapons, these drones and planes and whatnot, and I think it's overall a pretty pointless use of our money.

No argument Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid could use some fixing up, too, but I'm not much of an expert on how to go about doing that, really. Only thing I can think of right now is that there's a hell of a lot of red tape related to Medicare/Medicaid that could be cut down. I understand they're trying to make sure that the people who genuinely need it get it and that we don't have people trying to scam off it or whatever, but seriously, by the time you get through the seemingly endless paperwork, it hasn't really helped you, you know, get better taken care of.
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Old 01-12-2012, 02:48 PM   #332
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What kind of threat did Iraq have on my well being again?
Do you care about human rights?
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Old 01-12-2012, 02:51 PM   #333
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What kind of threat did Iraq have on my well being again?
What kind of threat do poor people, sick people, and old people have on my well being again?
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But you can also make that argument with Iraq, can't you?- Yes, it cost a couple trillion, but Saddam has been replaced with elections and oppression replaced by freedom.

do you think the 100,000+ dead Iraqis agree?

i don't think anyone thinks Iraq was worth the cost in blood and treasure. it was over-promised, under-sold, and predicated on the manipulation of fear and outright lies.
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was that the argument put forth in 2002?
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What kind of threat do poor people, sick people, and old people have on my well being again?

what if not but for the grace of God there go i?

what if you were poor, sick, and/or old? should we kick you to the curb? are you being "envious" if you don't have, say, $1500 for a colonoscopy that could detect colon cancer early when it's treatable vs. waiting until you get really sick and then die, running up the bills as you receive treatment?
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what if not but for the grace of God there go i?

what if you were poor, sick, and/or old? should we kick you to the curb? are you being "envious" if you don't have, say, $1500 for a colonoscopy that could detect colon cancer early when it's treatable vs. waiting until you get really sick and then die, running up the bills as you receive treatment?
Exactly. What if I were a poor iraqi, living under the tyranny of Sadam Hussein ?

I was just trying to point out to bvs that some things ARE important, even if they don't affect us directly.
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Do you care about human rights?
That's cute...

If it was a human rights issue than treat it, approach it, and sell it as a human rights issue. Get unified support for it...
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Do you care about human rights?
Are human rights violations sufficient justification for invading foreign countries?
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Exactly. What if I were a poor iraqi, living under the tyranny of Sadam Hussein ?

what if i were a poor dead Iraqi? or what if i were a poor Iraqi who's family had been killed by insurgents?

what about the 4m people in Congo who have been killed since 2002? why don't we care about them? because they're black? because they don't have oil?

we can say that the end of Saddam Hussein is a good thing while also saying that the way in which we went about doing it was the worst possible thing we could have done.

Bush tried to force us into an "either/or" situation. it was always much more complicated than that.
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What kind of threat do poor people, sick people, and old people have on my well being again?
Lots. The poor turn to crime when they can't eat. The sick increase your insurance bills. And the old eventually die, so in case you want them just piling up on the streets it takes money to dispose of them...
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But you can also make that argument with Iraq, can't you?- Yes, it cost a couple trillion, but Saddam has been replaced with elections and oppression replaced by freedom. You can't say "debt is fine as long as it's going to things that I deem appropriate." That's how we got in this mess.
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Exactly. What if I were a poor iraqi, living under the tyranny of Sadam Hussein ?

I was just trying to point out to bvs that some things ARE important, even if they don't affect us directly.
What the fucccccck are you two talking about?????

Are you that out of it that you don't know Iraq is headed for a bloody civil war? A war that may result in the overthrow of the current shakey Instant Ramen Democracy and replace it with an oppressive religious or military-headed regime?










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what if i were a poor dead Iraqi? or what if i were a poor Iraqi who's family had been killed by insurgents?

what about the 4m people in Congo who have been killed since 2002? why don't we care about them? because they're black? because they don't have oil?

we can say that the end of Saddam Hussein is a good thing while also saying that the way in which we went about doing it was the worst possible thing we could have done.

Bush tried to force us into an "either/or" situation. it was always much more complicated than that.
I'm not disagreeing with anything that you just said. The Iraq war was certainly handled horribly.

All I was trying to say originally was that the attitude I inferred from this post:
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What kind of threat did Iraq have on my well being again?
seemed to be the exact attiude liberals accuse republicans of having when it comes to issues like healthcare, social security, and welfare: "If it doesn't directly affect me, I don't care about it."
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I was just trying to point out to bvs that some things ARE important, even if they don't affect us directly.
Of course they are, but I'm trying to appeal to the present Tea Party mentality.

Don't pretend(not you, but those that I see align with the present Tea Party) you're for human rights but you want to take away health insurance for the poor. Don't pretend you're a Christian if you want the wealthy completely unregulated but you want to intervene in the lives of those that are on welfare.
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Fucks sake, Iraq? Really?
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