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Old 09-29-2011, 09:37 AM   #121
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Both Romney and Perry have huge glaring big government hypocrisies(for those of us who understand the word) in their recent pasts. So those that know they need the tea party vote are worried that they might have a 2004 election on their hand, where the low rated incumbent might win due to apathy.

Are the tea party voters actually principled? This is the question people will be asking themselves. My guess is no.

But they talk a big talk, and that's why they like perry, he does the same thing.
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Honestly, I wish I knew. I haven't heard many reasons that I think are valid other than Romneycare, which I think is relatively weak. Perry's got way more flaws.

i think there's no doubt that Romney is your strongest candidate.

and as i've said, from my perspective, he seems generally rational and competent and he's improved from 2008.

of course, that's what i thought about McCain right up until the moment he chose Palin for VP. (that's also when traditionally Republican money on Wall Street shifted to Obama -- because they understood that she was/is a lunatic).

i'd rather a closer race with someone who i think could actually be president rather than have O run against a lunatic who he'd probably beat but we'd still have that small chance that he could lose.

so, at the end of the day, i'm Team Mittens.
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Mitt is their best pick (of the crowd so far) and the least frightening for the rest of us. Frankly, I don't think he'd preside much differently than Obama or any other person before him who was in cahoots with Wall Street one way or another.

His problem is that he stands for nothing, talks out of both sides of his mouth, believes 27 different things between Monday and Wednesday and comes across like a used car salesman in a Canali suit. The sort of person who would sell his mother if the price were right.

Essentially, Mitt ain't likeable. From a party who prefers guys that you "want to have a beer with", a bad thing.
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I don't think Tea Party, social conservatives, etc will sit out if Romney gets the nom.
Many claimed Hillary voters, and others in the Dem coalition would sit out 08 if Obama got the nom, Also, that was an extremely divided primary season, too.

But come November, there was so much momentum for a change that voters turnout was high in all groups.

I think that is what 2012 will be like. That means Romney will get votes from people that he was not their first or 2nd primary choice. Plus Romney could pull a Bush 1, and choose a junior Senator that has conservative bona fides. Rubio. That worked well for Bush1 in 88.
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His problem is that he stands for nothing, talks out of both sides of his mouth, believes 27 different things between Monday and Wednesday and comes across like a used car salesman in a Canali suit. The sort of person who would sell his mother if the price were right.
You pretty much nailed it

That and his hair doesn't move-I don't think it has moved since the 70's
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i agree that people won't sit at home because it's Romney. but the desire, by some, to get Obama out will be great.

but i don't think there will be enough umpf behind Romney the way there was for Bush in '04 who had orange alerts to scare and fags to bash. after all, fear is what drives the right, and Romney doesn't seem to inspire any much emotion either which way.
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You pretty much nailed it

That and his hair doesn't move-I don't think it has moved since the 70's


and his first name is actually Willard.
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Mitt is their best pick (of the crowd so far) and the least frightening for the rest of us. Frankly, I don't think he'd preside much differently than Obama or any other person before him who was in cahoots with Wall Street one way or another.

on the big things, yes.

but on social issues, i'm sure he'll have to bash some gays and kick some Mexicans and hurt poor women to make the base happy and ensure that a Republican house will work with him.
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i agree that people won't sit at home because it's Romney. but the desire, by some, to get Obama out will be great.

but i don't think there will be enough umpf behind Romney the way there was for Bush in '04 who had orange alerts to scare and fags to bash. after all, fear is what drives the right, and Romney doesn't seem to inspire any much emotion either which way.
the GOP should not have been surprised in 2008, why?

the handwriting was on the wall from the 2006 election. plain and simple.


does everybody have amnesia? 2010 there was an election then, too

people were driven to the polls to vote against the Administration both in 06 and 10, but only a lot more so in 2010.
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and his first name is actually Willard.
And he allegedly strapped a dog carrier — with the family dog Seamus in it — to the roof of the family station wagon for a twelve hour drive from Boston to Ontario for a family vacation in 1983. It was the 80's and maybe people weren't as enlightened but you don't need to be a member of PETA to be skeeved out by that. The poor dog had an accident all over the car. I can't believe he survived.

I know that has nothing to do with being President but wtf. I still say wtf about that one. As a dog lover and just as a human being.
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That and his hair doesn't move-I don't think it has moved since the 70's


Was it Jon Stewart who said "this is what happens when you don't let the gays touch your hair"?
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funny -- i assumed you were deeply offended by the Christie speech?

after all, he kept saying that "exceptionalism" was something we have to earn, that it isn't our birthright, that it's proved through our actions as a nation, and not something just automatically are because we are American.

so that's totally opposite to your posts on the topic.
Simply not true. I've said all along that we have to teach each generation its meaning and live up to the ideas it expounds.
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Simply not true. I've said all along that we have to teach each generation its meaning and live up to the ideas it expounds.

and all that means, apparently, is keeping taxes low on rich people.
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and all that means, apparently, is keeping taxes low on rich all people.
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a part of me is a little sad that being an American is only about money to you.

but i suppose that's been the GOP message since 1980.
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