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Old 12-16-2011, 02:36 AM   #901
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it's over-rated
and certainly outdated
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Old 12-16-2011, 03:35 AM   #902
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I'm assuming you think amendments are anti-patriotic?
I'm assuming you can post an amendment that says the government can force the states to comply with regulations without giving them the funds to do so?
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It's the phrasing of your original question that I take issue with, that having different interpretations than you means one must dislike the Constitution.
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Old 12-16-2011, 03:49 AM   #904
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Oh, I gotcha. Yeah, reading that over again it sounds a bit too harsh. Sorry about that Steved
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Old 12-16-2011, 08:07 AM   #905
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Nowhere in the constitution is the power to pass environmental protection laws that the states are forced to comply with delegated to the government. So clearly, the power to pass environmental protection laws is a power reserved to the states. Your welcome.
You seem to believe that unless a right is specifically enumerated, it is not part of the Constitution. Is it your opinion that the founding fathers, at the time when the Constitution was written, contemplated "environmental protection laws"?
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Old 12-16-2011, 08:11 AM   #906
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The Founding Fathers were so brilliant that they could forsee the future; they knew of the internet, they knew about climate change, and they knew about Lady Gaga. This was all part of their plan.
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insert photo of founding fathers with exotic costumes here.
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Old 12-16-2011, 12:27 PM   #908
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The Founding Fathers were so brilliant that they could forsee the future; they knew of the internet, they knew about climate change, and they knew about Lady Gaga. This was all part of their plan.
Of course they knew about Lady Gaga. They even banned listening to her in one of the amendments. Does no "cruel and unusual punishment" meant anything to people nowadays?!

On a serious note, though, would you say you believe in a living constitution?
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On a serious note, though, would you say you believe in a living constitution?
I believe the brilliance of the Forefathers was that they knew they didn't know everything. This is something often lost on conservatives. And because they didn't know everything they specifically designed the document to be able to evolve with the country. Can you imagine if they were as arrogant as today's politicians and believed they knew all the absolutes? Scary right? This country would be stuck in the dark ages.
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insert photo of founding fathers with exotic costumes here.

if we had today's technology back then
they would be on TMZ for frequenting prostitutes (some of them)

but American Exceptional-ism leads me to believe they were only doing Godly Inspired Activities
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Not to mention they'd be okay with Zwarte Piet.
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Of course they knew about Lady Gaga. They even banned listening to her in one of the amendments. Does no "cruel and unusual punishment" meant anything to people nowadays?!

On a serious note, though, would you say you believe in a living constitution?
They were probably regretting the career choice they made as she makes much more than them.
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Come on man, you're an intelligent guy. Resorting to swearing and insults makes it seem otherwise.

I asked where it says that the government can burden the states with regulations the states can't afford, and not give them the federal funds to put those regulations into action. You explained why the government has to protect the environment.

I asked what you think will happen when the downtrend in the dollar continues, to the point where the government prints so much backless money, that the dollar is worth next to nothing. You explained what would happen if we went to a gold standard.

I'd say that's not quite answering my questions.

You said environmental regulations are unconstitutional according to the 10th amendment, but according to the preamble, they're perfectly constitutional. States can't be trusted with this on their own. By the 1970s this was obvious. As for not being able to afford these regulations, raise taxes or fine the shit out of businesses that violate these regulations. And before you attack me on raising taxes, take into account that taxes right now are the lowest they've been in decades.

I answered both questions. You asked me how global trade will come to a standstill. I answered. As for printing money willy nilly, the other alternative would be to back paper money with gold. Bad stuff will happen if we do that, as I stated earlier. Assuming no new regulations are passed and we leave everything as is trade will continue as it has. If the dollar keeps dropping, the world will find another reserve currency and go on as it always has. The financial system needs to be overhauled, but going back to the gold standard is not the way to do it. I didn't think I needed to repeat myself.
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Oh, I gotcha. Yeah, reading that over again it sounds a bit too harsh. Sorry about that Steved
Don't apologize I didn't take offense
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I also find the idea that states know so much better absolutely fascinating. What makes a state so much holier-than-thou than the federal government?

Maybe it's my cynicism from living in a state with arguably the most corrupt government in the entire country, but I don't exactly think "states know best" is a great solution for everything.
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