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Old 09-26-2011, 09:14 AM   #61
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“If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.”
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Old 09-26-2011, 02:56 PM   #63
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well. seems the GOP still loathes Romney so -- and they are so dismayed at Perry's inept, Palin-like debate performances that have made the GOP money think he's an idiot, as well as his suggestion that maybe the children of illegal immigrants should be treated like human beings that enraged the racist base -- that there's more rumors of Chris Christie jumping into the GOP race.

Chris Christie back in spotlight as Perry sags - Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Martin - POLITICO.com

now, at first glance, i think, "this is someone who could win independents, his appearance and "regional" appeal might be overcome by how refreshing he seems to be for calling out total BS on both sides, despite the fact that he initially won Republican hearts by slashing $10bn from school budgets in NJ. Republicans from the Northeast tend to be sane, like the Senators from Maine, perhaps. and, hey, Bloomberg likes him."

but then, if the GOP base is going to turn on Perry over his DREAM Act-like record in Texas, what are they going to make of a blue state governor who has appointed Muslims judges (and nicely slammed his bigoted critics), supports same-sex civil unions, gun control, and solar power.

will he survive a primary?

moreover, what does this say about Romney? we're already into the fall, have had numerous debates, Romney is clearly the class of this field and likely has enough business acumen to appeal to a certain amount of independents and who everyone says is by far the most (only?) plausible candidate ... and yet they still can't stand him?

you'd think a president struggling with the worst economy since the Great Depression and a 9% unemployment rate, despite myriad accomplishments, would be eminently beatable, just think of H.W. Bush in 1992.

but are the Republicans in such disarray, is the heart of the party so far to the right, that they can't even pull this one off?

just asking questions is all.
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This is precisely why I think the Republicans are in trouble in a national election. NE Republicans are called RINOs by Southern and Mid-West Republicans and don't even get them started on California Republicans.

The regionality of the primary candidates is going to make the actual primaries very, very interesting.

In a National election, Romney and Christie have the best chance, but can they get out of the primary.
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but why do they hate Mittens so?
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Because they know he is not a true believer.
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Because they know he is not a true believer.
Because they know he is not a true believer hater.
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Health care-that's why they hate him.
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Health care-that's why they hate him.
Exactly. He's a closet socialist from the People's Republic of Massachusetts whose maybe even a little too slick for their liking.
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what about his Mormonism? for me, i could care less. Romney is much more modest about his religion than, say, W. Bush was, who used it as one of his primary qualifications for higher office. i see no evidence that he would pursue some sort of Mormon worldview in his policies in the way that W did. i see his Mormonism as no more or no less than any other typical politician's religion -- sure, it's there, but it's not cited as a raison d'etre, again, unlike W.

but this seems not good enough for the base? is this going to be an issue?

genuinely curious.
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He's a closet socialist from the People's Republic of Massachusetts

Yeah it's the MA thing too

Mitt Romney doesn't even talk about his religion or his religion as related to his political beliefs, not that I can recall. I'm sure there must be instances (like gay marriage maybe? ) but he doesn't define himself that way or preach it. Maybe that hurts him.
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Well, there was his big "Religion Speech" back in late 2007--we had a thread on it in here. But whatever exactly Romney really thinks about the ideal role of religion vis-a-vis government is a moot point, because the fact is if you belong to a minority religion in this country, it'd be political suicide for you to present your faith as a primary qualification for office, or to make a show out of praying with your particular brethren like Perry did, or to work it into your stump speeches on a day-to-day basis. All you'd be doing is underlining how different you are from the statistically average base voter, and especially in a presidential candidate that's a fatal mistake.
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this could contribute to some (good) 'rated G' jokes


Why do Mormon women stop having babies at 35?
Because 36 is just too many.


What do you get when you cross a kleptomaniac and a Mormon?
A year’s supply of stolen food.


Who is the pushiest person in the world?
A Mormon missionary with an Amway distributorship on the side.
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“If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.”
― Stephen Colbert
And what's the best way to help the poor? Bigger government or private charities and philanthropists?

1) When help is given privately 70% or more of each dollar gets to an in-need recipient. Government is much less efficient as the inverse, 30% or less, reaches a welfare recipient.
2) Private charities and philanthropies are subject to market forces. Government charity is subject to political forces.
3) Private charities provide more localized and personable services and programs. Government charities are centralized, anonymous and lead more often to dependency.
4) Private charity is optional. Government taxes are coerced. (for the libertarians out there)

So why is President Obama pushing to have the tax deductions that wealthy Americans can claim for their charitable donations reduced? Despite bipartisan criticism and evidence that it will hurt private charities? For the exact reasons I listed. He wants the political power in increasing dependency on government programs. He wants the increased revenue to redistribute as he sees fit. And the incentive will not to be efficient with the spending but to blame failures on too little spending.

That and the fact the man is a true blue statist. He thinks government is always the solution. Sadly it's all he knows.
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