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Old 07-04-2011, 11:04 AM   #691
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HAYYYY YOU GUYSSS.


i mean this in all seriousness.

i was reminded of when i watched the Anderson Cooper special on the anti-sissy therapies in the 1970s that led to the suicide of Kirk Murphy.

there were interviews with George Rekers and Joseph Nicolosi, and both men set off my gaydar. and, well, Rekers was caught with a male escort, so that's pretty much confirmed.

as does Bachmann's husband. several friends of mine agreed.

sure, this might come off as tidy and convenient, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least that "experts" who believe in the effectiveness of reparation therapy or being "ex-gay" are themselves gay.
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The Family Leader, an Iowa-based political group with the stated mission to promote Christian conservative social values, has been asking Republican candidates to sign a pledge titled “The Marriage Vow – A Declaration of Dependence upon Marriage and Family.” Rep. Michelle Bachmann recently signed the pledge, and now some are in uproar that she may also have agreed to ban pornography.

The actual pledge that she signed isn’t terribly surprising for a social conservative like Bachmann; it contains many platitudes like “marriage is between man and a woman.” Oh, and there are parts to the pledge that calls homosexuality a “choice,” which is then likened to bigamy, adultery and polyandry.

Writing for the Des Moines Register, William Petroski reports:

Presidential candidates who sign the pledge must agree to personal fidelity to his or her spouse, the appointment of “faithful constitutionalists” as judges, opposition to any redefinition of marriage, and prompt reform of uneconomic and anti-marriage aspects of welfare policy, tax policy and divorce law.

The Marriage Vow also outlines support for the legal advocacy for the federal Defense of Marriage Act, humane efforts to protect women and children, rejection of Sharia Islam, safeguards for all married and unmarried U.S. military service members, and commitment to downsizing government and the burden upon American families.

In addition, candidates are asked to recognize that “robust childrearing and reproduction is beneficial to U.S. demographic, economic, strategic and actuarial health and security.”

Alice Stewart, a Bachmann aide, said the congresswoman had no qualms about signing the Family Leader’s pledge. “She has been married for over 30 years and has a strong marriage and faith.”

ThinkProgress has noted that, in their esteem at least, the pledge also include a stipulation that bans pornography:

PORNOGRAPHY SHOULD BE BANNED: Vow 9 stipulates that the candidate must “support human protection of women and the innocent fruit of conjugal intimacy” and protect them from “seduction into promiscuity and all forms of pornography…and other types of coercion or stolen innocence.”

But the actual vow signed by Bachmann doesn’t explicitly call for a ban on pornography, per se. Read the vow portion below

The Candidate Vow:
Therefore, in any elected or appointed capacity by which I may have the honor of serving our fellow citizens in these United States, I the undersigned do hereby solemnly vow* to honor and to cherish, to defend and to uphold, the Institution of Marriage as only between one man and one woman. I vow* to do so through my:
–Personal fidelity to my spouse.
–Respect for the marital bonds of others.
–Official fidelity to the U.S. Constitution, supporting the elevation of none but faithful constitutionalists as judges or justices.
–Vigorous opposition to any redefinition of the Institution of Marriage – faithful monogamy between one man and one woman – through statutory-, bureaucratic-, or court-imposed recognition of intimate unions which are bigamous, polygamous, polyandrous, same-sex, etc.
–Recognition of the overwhelming statistical evidence that married people enjoy better health, better sex, longer lives, greater financial stability, and that children raised by a mother and a father together experience better learning, less addiction, less legal trouble, and less extramarital pregnancy.
–Support for prompt reform of uneconomic, anti-marriage aspects of welfare policy, tax policy, and marital/divorce law, and extended “second chance” or “cooling-off” periods for those seeking a “quickie divorce.”
–Earnest, bona fide legal advocacy for the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) at the federal and state levels.
–Steadfast embrace of a federal Marriage Amendment to the U.S. Constitution which protects the definition of marriage as
between one man and one woman in all of the United States.
–Humane protection of women and the innocent fruit of conjugal intimacy – our next generation of American children –
from human trafficking, sexual slavery, seduction into promiscuity, and all forms of pornography and prostitution,
infanticide, abortion and other types of coercion or stolen innocence.
–Support for the enactment of safeguards for all married and unmarried U.S. Military and National Guard personnel,
especially our combat troops, from inappropriate same-gender or opposite-gender sexual harassment, adultery or intrusively intimate commingling among attracteds (restrooms, showers, barracks, tents, etc.); plus prompt termination of military policymakers who would expose American wives and daughters to rape or sexual harassment, torture, enslavement or sexual leveraging by the enemy in forward combat roles.
–Rejection of Sharia Islam and all other anti-woman, anti-human rights forms of totalitarian control.1
–Recognition that robust childbearing and reproduction is beneficial to U.S. demographic, economic, strategic and actuarial
health and security.
–Commitment to downsizing government and the enormous burden upon American families of the USA‟s $14.3 trillion
public debt, its $77 trillion in unfunded liabilities, its $1.5 trillion federal deficit, and its $3.5 trillion federal budget.
–Fierce defense of the First Amendment‟s rights of Religious Liberty and Freedom of Speech22, especially against the
intolerance of any who would undermine law-abiding American citizens and institutions of faith and conscience for their adherence to, and defense of, faithful heterosexual monogamy.
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Bachmann's against porn?
That is it, she lost my vote.


(But is she for sunshine and puppies?)
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Tim Pawlenty aide Vin Weber apologizes for saying Michele Bachmann has "sex appeal" - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

But does she have rootin'-tootin' gun-shootin' appeal?
--'cause Sarah does.


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Michele Bachmann | Marriage Vow | Slavery | Mediaite

Michele Bachmann-Signed Pledge Says Black Children Worse Off Under Obama Than During Slavery

"Right at the top of page one is the paragraph that insists that black children born into slavery had a better shot at two-parent glory than those born under President Obama’s watch: (asterisk mine)

Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household* than was an African American baby born after the election of the USA’s first African-American President.

*except the ones that were whipped to death by their parents’ owners



The study that they cite was published in 2005, which means that any comparison to slavery must be made, not with our first black president, but with our 43rd white one. Furthermore, the data in the study only dates back to 1880, which means they not only had to stretch their pretzel to include Barack Obama, but also to conflate the data with slavery. They appear to be basing their conclusion on these two points from the study:

…in 1880 and 1910 about 56.3 percent of Black and 66.9 percent of White households were nuclear households…(page 8)

According to the latest data, only 35 percent of Black children live with married parents whereas 76 percent of White children do. (page 9)

Any nuclear households in 1880 would have contained exactly zero children “born into slavery in 1860,” or out of slavery, because they would all have been 20 years old by then. This is important, because it demonstrates a specific intent, not just to make a revoltingly stupid comparison between the slave era and the present day (black homelessness was probably lower in slave states, too), but to tie that comparison to our first black president."
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If we're going to talk about Mitt's sex appeal, Tim Pawlenty's, Herman Cain's, etc then we can talk about hers. Even though sex appeal has zero to do with being a good President. I guess she said she took it as a compliment.
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every day, in every way, Mittens looks like the inevitable nominee.
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And he's smart to just ignore Iowa. It's sad but my state is going to become less and less vocal/important in the race for the nomination.

2008 McCain skipped out and he still got it, proving that Iowa has lost a bit of it's zeal over the years.

And with stupid shit like that proposal above, we'll become even more of a joke. I liked it better when we were just known for corn and fat people. Now we're known for corn and fat people who hate gays and colored skin
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and yet, Iowa has same-sex marriage.
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We're fighting very hard to get rid of it (voting out three judges last election). Sad, used to think we were a fairly progressive state, but maybe it's just dsm that's more progressive and republicans are playing off of the rural communities more
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Now we're known for corn and fat people who hate gays and colored skin
^With the very notable exception of farmer-tan burnt red.
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I reckon Michelle Obama is hot as.
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I reckon Michelle Obama is hot as.
We might need a "Last Political Hottie Standing" thread.

There is TOO MUCH time until the election.
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The issue of whether the Bachmanns use religious-based counseling in an effort to eradicate homosexuality in patients has dogged them for years. Marcus Bachmann has denied engaging in such efforts in the past.
The ABC News report, which followed a similar story in The Nation, tracks the experience of another patient who went undercover at the Bachmann clinic in Lake Elmo, Minn. John Becker, a gay activist, writes that it became clear to him in several sessions that therapists at the clinic believe they can change a person’s sexual orientation.
“Based on my experiences at Bachmann & Associates, there can no longer be any doubt that Marcus Bachmann’s state- and federally-funded clinic endorses and practices reparative therapy aimed at changing a gay person’s sexual orientation, despite the fact that such “therapy” is widely discredited by the scientific and medical communities,” Becker wrote.
Michele Bachmann under fire for 'gay therapy,' police reports, IRS work - latimes.com

If all this is true, then Michele Bachmann is a danger to American society. Its because of anti-gay attitudes like hers that lead to many gays to be depressed, be disowned by their families, and even end their lives.
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I saw some of that ABC report. If her husband believes all that and she has taken that pledge to him well she probably believes it too.

I don't want a President who believes in that
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