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Old 06-22-2011, 05:01 PM   #646
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if you want to run the government like you run a business, you're in the wrong career.


OMG. Can we please put an end to people saying the government should be run like a business?

It's not.
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Can we please put an end to people saying the government should be run like a business?

It's not.
For so many reasons.

People who insist on repeating this have never managed to explain that if the government is a business, then are we, the members of the public, shareholders or are we customers? Because there is a world of difference.
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if the public are customers, they should pay for what the receive

if they are share holders they should expect their business to not spend more than what comes in.
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Businesses exist to make a profit.
The government needs to be in charge of doing the things things are not profitable, but are essential to live our lives (and so that businesses can exist and be profitable).
Sure, every road could be a toll road, but is Target going to pave a road from my house to their store so I can buy toothpaste and toilet paper?


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Sure, every road could be a toll road
hahaha, that would be hilarious though. i wonder what people would do if-oh hell, they'd just pay up and whine about not having any money.
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if the public are customers, they should pay for what the receive

if they are share holders they should expect their business to not spend more than what comes in.
If the public were shareholders they should also expect to see some tangible economic gain (i.e. dividends, stock whcih can be sold) rather than simply receiving services (which is what a customer would receive). That is why they would care whether the government spends more than what comes in.

But of course government is not a business.
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hahaha, that would be hilarious though. i wonder what people would do if-oh hell, they'd just pay up and whine about not having any money.
The only question is whether you could walk on that road for free or would we have toll sidewalks, too.

Seriously, I don't want to envision a world where our daily necessities/securities are dependent on businesses. When thinking about it, I flip from absurdity to scared.

Imagine WWII fought with private contractors handling logistics for the troops. No dropping the ladle and grabbing a gun when the Germans break through the lines. The companies just pull out when things get hot or immediately layoff the employees and leave them on their own.

Imagine a fireman swiping your credit card with his iPad before they turn on the water hoses.

Anyway... absurd.
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U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) says it's "insulting" that Fox News host Chris Wallace asked her if she's a "flake" when she appeared on his program on Sunday morning.

Wallace apologized for the question in a web video after he interviewed the presidential hopeful.

“A lot of you were more than perturbed, you were upset and felt that I had been rude to her," says Wallace in the clip posted online. "And since in the end it’s really all about the answers, and not about the questions, I messed up, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean any disrespect.”

Asked if she accepts the apology by ABC News' Jon Karl, Bachmann said, "I think that it's insulting to insinuate that a candidate for president is less than serious. I'm a very serious individual." When pressed on the matter further she said, "Those are the small issues. I'm focused on the big ones."
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It was a softball question to her anyway. He lobbed it to her and left it open ended for her to justify herself.

WTF was that shit about her and her husband raising 23 adopted kids.....what the FUCK?!
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She'd like you to believe they raised them all at once....but reality (which doesn't exist in Michelle's world) was they would take in a child/teenager for a week or two before they moved on.

So while they did see to care for 23 foster children, it wasn't quite the effort she makes it out to be.
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Wrong John Wayne: Mix-up is opening day headache for Bachmann
By Carrie Dann

What’s the difference between the actor who will forever embody the American ideal of craggy cowboy masculinity and the serial killer who forever made clowns way way creepier than they’d ever been before?

One answer turns out to be four letters and about 150 miles – not quite enough to keep Rep. Michele Bachmann from prompting a chorus of internet giggles for apparently mixing them up.

On the day of her presidential announcement, Bachmann, an Iowa native, told FOX News that she and John Wayne share a hometown. “John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa,” she said. “That's the kind of spirit that I have, too."

Bachmann repeated that idea to NBC News in an interview. "I'm not pining for nostalgia back in the 50s and 60s, that isn't it," she told NBC's Kelly O'Donnell. "But that sensibility about how we were grounded here is so important. For instance, another American that was born in Waterloo was John Wayne. We were a very patriotic 'yay rah rah America' city and nation and I think that's what America's looking for again."

The problem: While actor John Wayne – the gravelly-voiced Western film star known for his characteristic walk and his conservative values– was in fact from Iowa (and, Bachmann’s campaign later pointed out, his parents briefly lived in Waterloo), he was born in Winterset, about 150 miles away.

The famous similarly-named guy who did make his home in Waterloo: John Wayne Gacy -- the serial killer known for dressing as “Pogo the Clown” who buried over two dozen of his young male victims in the crawlspace of his Illinois home.

Gacy, who was born in Chicago, lived in Waterloo in the late 1960s before serving time for sodomy at Anamosa State Penitentiary. He would later go on to commit more than 30 murders.

The mix-up – which, considering the Iowa roots of both men, isn’t as baffling as some Bachmann critics may make it out to be-- isn’t independently the kind of gaffe that makes voters suddenly change their minds. But it’s certain to become late-night comedy fodder for a candidate who has already been ridiculed for a more serious historical mangling of details about the beginning of the Revolutionary War.
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I might have to send her campaign some money just to see where this goes.
Me and John Wayne Gacy Waterloo's pride.

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John Quincy Adams a Founding Father? Michele Bachmann Says Yes - George Stephanopoulos' Bottom Line

On the heels of her official entry into the Presidential campaign in Iowa yesterday, Congresswoman Michele Bachmann came to “GMA” today. I gave her the opportunity to clear up some of her past statements that caused Chris Wallace to ask if she is a “flake” and the Pulitzer-Prize winning website Politifact to find that Bachmann has made more false statements than any of the other GOP contenders.

Top of my list – Bachmann’s contention earlier this year that the Founding Fathers “worked tirelessly” to end slavery. And her 2005 argument that eliminating the minimum wage could “virtually eliminate” unemployment.


Stephanopoulos: You have been making a lot of progress, also getting a lot of scrutiny. I am not going to get too deep into the "flake" flap from Sunday. But as you make progress in this campaign everything you say is going to get more scrutiny. And the Pulitzer Prize winning website, Politifact, has found that you have the worst record of making false statements of any of the leading contenders. And I wondered if you wanted to take a chance to clear up some of your past statements. For example earlier this year you said that the Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence worked tirelessly to end slavery. Now with respect Congresswoman, that’s just not true. Many of them including Jefferson and Washington were actually slave holders and slavery didn’t end until the Civil War.

Bachmann: Well you know what’s marvelous is that in this country and under our constitution, we have the ability when we recognize that something is wrong to change it. And that’s what we did in our country. We changed it. We no longer have slavery. That’s a good thing. And what our Constitution has done for our nation is to give us the basis of freedom unparalleled in the rest of the world.

Stephanopoulos: I agree with that…

Bachmann: That’s what people want...they realize our government is taking away our freedom.

Stephanopoulos: But that’s not what you said. You said that the Founding Fathers worked tirelessly to end slavery.

Bachmann: Well if you look at one of our Founding Fathers, John Quincy Adams, that’s absolutely true. He was a very young boy when he was with his father serving essentially as his father’s secretary. He tirelessly worked throughout his life to make sure that we did in fact one day eradicate slavery….

Stephanopoulos: He wasn’t one of the Founding Fathers – he was a president, he was a Secretary of State, he was a member of Congress, you’re right he did work to end slavery decades later. But so you are standing by this comment that the Founding Fathers worked tirelessly to end slavery?

Bachmann: Well, John Quincy Adams most certainly was a part of the Revolutionary War era. He was a young boy but he was actively involved.

Stephanopoulos: Well let me move on to another one of your statements on the issue of jobs which is so central to this campaign. You said back in 2005 that taking away the minimum wage could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment. Where is the evidence for that?

Bachmann: You know I think what we need to do is, again George, focus on job creation. I’m a former federal tax litigation attorney. I worked for years in the federal tax court system and watched how devastating high taxes are on business and individuals and farmers. And I’m also a job creator. My husband and I started from scratch a successful small business. That’s really the focus that I’m hearing today in New Hampshire. People are very upset that the president has us at 9.1 percent unemployment. That is not acceptable. He promised us that we wouldn’t see unemployment go above 8 percent. We’ve lost millions of jobs, people are suffering, they are hurting and I feel their pain and I want to make sure that what we do going forward is actually to address this and turn the economy around and get it on the right track because that’s really what people care about – that’s what they’re talking to me about all across the country.

Stephanopoulos: I think that’s what everyone wants to get this unemployment down but do you still believe that eliminating the minimum wage could virtually eliminate unemployment?

Bachmann: I think what we need to do is bring economists together, people who have been in this field to let us know what are the job killing regulations that could help us in turn put the economy on the right track. And so I think we need to across the board look at all of the regulations of various departments and do that. Unfortunately under President Obama we’ve seen a tremendous expansion of even more government regulations, that’s lead to even fewer jobs being created. So there’s several tactics we need to look at, one is the tax code, another is the regulatory burden that adds approximately 1.7 trillion of burden on job creators. If we could lift that then I think we’d see more people get higher wages, better benefits and more jobs because what we want is more job growth in America rather than to see jobs transferring overseas.

Stephanopoulos: Let me try one more time, so you are saying that the minimum wage is one of those regulations you’d take a look at, you’d try to eliminate it?

Bachmann: Well what I’m saying is that I think we need to look at all regulations, whatever--whatever ones are inhibiting job growth that’s what we need to --

Stephanopoulos: And the minimum wage is one of them?

Bachmann: All regulations George. I think every department. We have just too much expansion of government and so what we need to do is tamp that down so that the American people can keep more of what they make.
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So frustrating. I know it's not just her, but I'm going to pick on her anyway. I just hate how she cannot answer a god damn question.

Just say "Yes, I think the min wage is one of them". But she won't cause it'll come back in a commerical and she'll be sunk.

And the founding fathers thing....she just keeps putting her foot in her mouth. It has to be so annoying interviewing politicians.
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I have to say this whole economy thing is just so much bullshit.

I don't buy that Obama, Bachmann or anyone else has that much power over the economy, jobs, etc either for better or worse.

"Obama has us at 9% unemployment" Like he planned it or something. Give me a break.

And this job creation nonsense. . .please.
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