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Old 02-01-2006, 07:03 PM   #31
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Well you can't always blame one Religous group. Islam forbidds gay marriage also, actually homosexuality period. I dont know about the Jewish religon or others.
So by this logic.....you believe that there are other religious groups with political clout in America?
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There are always forces out ther to stop such things like gay marriage. Why is it always the Christians?
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I'm confused about Dreadsox's beaten for their beliefs comment. I said that "marriage equality" probably won't happen in the US because of Conservatives feeling the need to protect the "sacred tradition of marriage" and then he said something about beating people.
I think he meant because conservatives are against gay rights

should they be beaten?



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There are always forces out ther to stop such things like gay marriage. Why is it always the Christians?
I am not aware of any other religious groups with the political clout to make a difference.
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Have you gone to various denominations and asked them what their opinion is?
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There are always forces out ther to stop such things like gay marriage. Why is it always the Christians?
Don't forget the Nazis put them in camps.
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Why aren't Christian groups coming forward in favor of it?
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There are always forces out ther to stop such things like gay marriage. Why is it always the Christians?
I have a blanket disgust of all homophobic religions. This even includes liberal romantic fantasies with modern Buddhism, whose tenets were tainted with Western bigotry in the 19th century, and even the Dalai Lama cannot be called "gay friendly."

However, Dreadsox is correct. No other religion in America has the clout to change laws according to its whims and prejudices.

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Why aren't Christian groups coming forward in favor of it?
They have. The United Church of Christ is officially in favor of it. But, you know, it's ad campaign of inclusion was controversial and dropped by the national networks before it even aired. However, these same networks have no problem constantly giving airtime to conservative Christian ideology when it comes to their news coverage.

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I have a blanket disgust of all homophobic religions. This even includes liberal romantic fantasies with modern Buddhism, whose tenets were tainted with Western bigotry in the 19th century, and even the Dalai Lama cannot be called "gay friendly."

However, Dreadsox is correct. No other religion in America has the clout to change laws according to its whims and prejudices.

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And I too have the same disgust....I did not think I needed to state it because my question is being avoided by the oh boo hoo poor us Christian argument.
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I have been to mosques and talked witht the people there and said in the middle east, a homosexual person would face death.

Where does it say in all the religous Texts that Homosexual marriage should be allowed. I just want to know. I think it should be allowed, by civil union.
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They have. The United Church of Christ is officially in favor of it. But, you know, it's ad campaign of inclusion was controversial and dropped by the national networks before it even aired. However, these same networks have no problem constantly giving airtime to conservative Christian ideology when it comes to their news coverage.

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Another Church I once belonged to....

Do not forget, the Episcopal Church here in MA has been asked to be silent because of our stance on gay ministers, gay bishops, and gay marriage.

My minister has not performed a gay marriage in our church to my knowledge, but a church down the street has allowed her to.
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There are always forces out ther to stop such things like gay marriage. Why is it always the Christians?
American Jews, of whatever sect, are generally strongly averse to the pursuit of religious aspirations through politics. With good historical reason too, as we've too often been on the receiving end of that, to disastrous results (as deep implied).

You will find a few fringe Orthodox political groups that ally themselves with Focus on the Family et al. But in general even the Orthodox--their pervasive overall homophobia notwithstanding--see too few good reasons to trust these people, and too many not to.
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