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Old 01-16-2003, 01:26 AM   #46
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I was just thinking, sting, you are the guy i always hated arguing againist because you keep repeating things.
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Old 01-16-2003, 08:44 AM   #47
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Actually, we live in a zero-kill mentality ever since we started our technological warfare tactics, so the concept of "soldiers dying" is an aberration to that mentality. Note that even if *one* soldier dies, media makes it look like a large tragic event. Rewind to more conventional wars / "police actions," and probably one death would have been a good day.

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Old 01-16-2003, 12:42 PM   #48
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Yep.
good, because I was afraid that otherwise we might get to the point where we'd actually have to talk about the idea behind this article instead of focussing on only one point the writer mentions
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Old 01-16-2003, 01:47 PM   #49
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The United States military exist to defend the security and freedom of its citizens and the citizens of other countries around the world. Without them democracy would not exist as we know from the history of the 20th century. Policeman in your local community perform exactly the same function on a domestic local level. The US military trains and deters wars from happening and when needed goes into to destroy threats and violations of international law (under chapter VII rules of the UN) or reverse and stop an aggression in the process.

Soldiers are prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice to protect the freedom, security, and prosperity we often take for granted. Policeman and Fireman sometimes make the same sacrifice as well. They deserve are utmost respect and admiration for what they provide us through their courage and sacrifices.
I wasnt asking you for that, STING2.

I just asked: are you proud that soldiers die?

You can answer with a simple yes, or no. Any other words arent of any interest and I will not consider them.

Yes? Or no?

Let me know your answer.
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Old 01-16-2003, 01:50 PM   #50
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Note that even if *one* soldier dies, media makes it look like a large tragic event. Melon
In fact, it is tragic. It would be tragic for you if it was your son who died - I think.

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Old 01-16-2003, 10:09 PM   #51
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You know, I'm mostly replying to this thread again to get it bumped back up to the top. I'd like to see Melon and Sting respond to the latest comments. Because the death of one soldier is tragic, and there is a larger point behind Jensen's essay that Sting never really addressed.

So step up, kids. Don't be shy.
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Old 01-17-2003, 12:18 AM   #52
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Hiphop,

I think I finally understand what your saying now all though I've never heard anyone saying literally being proud of death which is a condition rather than an action. It really does not make sense but I think I understand what your getting at. I do not take pride in or celebrate the physical death of anyone. Why would you assume that I or anyone else here does?

Paxetaurora,

What is the larger message behind Jensens essay that I have yet to comment on?
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Well, Sting, the fact that you have only commented on one issue (generals) or maybe i should say one word.

What about the message in general. Lets not focuss soley on military. Look at some other points on the mans article
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If you re-read some of my post in this thread, you'll see that I have responded to other things besides the "Generals" statement.
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I think I finally understand what your saying now
Good.
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