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Old 06-11-2005, 04:07 AM   #1
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good article about african aid by bill o reilly

as seen in the ny post :

http://www.billoreilly.com/currentarticle

Riddle me this: What do Madonna, Bono, President Bush and Prime Minister Blair all have in common? They want to help poor Africans, that's what. But how to do that is the rub.

Madonna has signed up for the latest Bob Geldorf concert series to heighten "awareness" of the dire African situation. She will join Paul McCartney and other pop stars in a series of shows next month.

This is a nice, if somewhat fuzzy, idea. The last time Geldorf swam into these waters, in 1985, his "Live Aid" project raised about $150 million dollars for Ethiopian famine victims. The project got great press and was a huge financial success. Then reality intruded.

According to the watchdog group Charity Navigator, the Ethiopian dictator Mengistu stole much of the donated money and used it to pay his thuggish army to continue to oppress starving people in the countryside. That part of "Live Aid" was mostly ignored by the press because it would have been politically incorrect to point it out. The truth is that in the chaos that is Africa, whoever has the most guns controls any aid that flows into their area. Madonna can sing her heart out, but that's the fact.

Enter Bono, the U-2 superstar who wants a coordinated effort by the industrial world to deliver help to the poorest people on the planet. Bono, a smart and good man, understands corruption and apathy. But while Bono has the power to persuade, he does not have the ability to coordinate a massive relief effort.

So who does?

The United Nations could do it, but will not, because that agency is almost as chaotic and corrupt as Africa. While U.N. diplomats dine in splendor in midtown Manhattan, thousands of destitute human beings waste away all over the world. Kofi Annan is ineffective, and until there is a crusader for justice at the helm of the United Nations, little will be accomplished there.

So that leaves Bush and Blair. Both men recognize the tragedy of a continent that cannot feed itself and can't even deliver basic medical care to its people. But with an intense war on terror going on, both leaders are a bit distracted, and resources, especially in the USA, are stretched very thin. However, if the President and Prime Minister would team up with private agencies like Catholic Charities and Doctors without Borders, which are already on the ground in Africa, then at least a good beginning could be made.

The money, food and medicine is available. This is a delivery and accountability situation. Africa needs a disciplined "Marshall Plan" that would provide the continent with medicine, food and an educational infrastructure. Unfortunately, few African nations have demonstrated the competence to implement such a plan, so the Western powers must take the whole thing over.

Remember, post-World War II Europe and Japan were rebuilt mostly by American administrators. It was literally "our way or no highways." And if African nations don't buy into that, then they should be on their own.

So it is good that the "Material Girl" wants to ship material over to Africa. I am with Bono when he sings "we have to carry each other." The world's wealthy nations do have a responsibility to combat suffering along with terrorism. But no longer can we allow chaotic nations to call the shots on how aid programs are run. If we really want to help the poor - we have to get up close and personal.
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Take up the White Man's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly
Bring all your hopes to nought.

For the record I do think that it is noble cause to fight poverty and AIDS in Africa but history can be mirrored in attitudes even when we think that we have outgrown them.
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I've never heard of this Bill O'Reilly dude, but as I said in another thread, I am sceptical about aid for Africa too given concerns about corruption.
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as a convervative, i agree with bush. i think things should be sorted out first in terms of corruption in africa before money is sent there sothat it is not wasted .bill o reilly even confronted bono on this about the first live aid and bono had to admit that money never got to where it was meant to go to. now if the us used force in africa which surely is needed, it seems, because any diplomatic means wouldnt work, but maybe im wrong, wed be seen as the bad guys using force.
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Define force; there are many forms of power that can be exerted to acheive results.
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Quote - "If the US used force in Africa which surely is needed..."

Dude you better come up with a damn well argued case for where and why force is "surely needed" and your recommendations for implentation of your plans, or you're gonna get flamed by people infinitely better informed than you (or me) on Africa.

On that note of advice, I will bid you adieu.
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This is definitely food for thought. I'm trying to keep an open mind and not jump to a hasty conclusion.
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Bill O'Reilly hasn't had an original thought in his life. His lying rhetoric spewed in the air daily makes me sick.

I wouldn't take his advice on my cat, much less such an important issue.
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to the civilized ones willing to work to get thjings straight, our political power...to the warlords who go around killing and raping people left and right and stealing aid and using it as bartering tools, possibly our military power. maybe the military power would be deemed harsh, but if the end results were exactly what bono and geldof and everyone wants, than maybe it wouldnt be as bad as it sounds...and by that i mean have hte us miliary go in there, somehow eliminate the warlords and if needed, distribute and oversee all aid distribution....and protect aid workers.
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to the warlords who go around killing
That's a terrible thing to say about Rumsfeld.
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Old 06-11-2005, 07:48 AM   #11
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ive read horror stores where almost none of the money from live aid got to where it was supposed to. like i said, bono was on bill o reilly and admitted that the money never got to where it needed to get to. if the US and europe got together and could guarantee the money would not be wasted somehow, than by all by means do it..if not, i dont see how the money is going to fix anything.

also im not arguing with you but i i dont understand why rumsfeld has to be brought up...im trying to keep this as an african topic and not an iraqi war topic. and im sure rumsfeld isnt in washington raping women left and right and killing people for food like the warlords in africa do.
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Correct me if i wrong, but does Bush also refuse to give aid to organitations ( sp ) that give out condoms for free ?
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A culture of life for the unborn trumps those who are condemned to death with AIDS.
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im not sure..maybe in africa it should go to it because of the seriousness of the situation over there...

as for america? people who dont want to catch sexually transmitted diseases or unwanted pregnancy should practice abstinence. i dont see why in new york, my tax dollars should go to paying for condoms for people. if your grown up enough to wanna have sex so bad than you should be able to pay for condoms. money could be used on cops and firemen and teachers and other stuff, but isntead condoms are given out for free all over the place.
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A culture of life for the unborn trumps those who are condemned to death with AIDS.
Well, it sounds nice but i don`t get it,...i am not a native english speaker.
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