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Old 05-17-2007, 12:35 PM   #61
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for Bush, everything is a question of loyalty.
Then you must convince him that the ultimate loyalty is for him to step down immediately.
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Then you must convince him that the ultimate loyalty is for him to step down immediately.


but Bush's loyalty is to his "higher father." and his "higher father" told him to run for president and tells him that he's right about everything.

this is why they don't care about earthly laws.
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Which century do we live in, again?

It's so sad.
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Gonzales Aides Broke Laws in Hiring, Report Concludes

By ERIC LICHTBLAU

Senior aides to former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales broke the law by using politics to guide their hiring decisions for a wide range of important department positions, slowing the hiring process at critical times and damaging the department’s credibility and independence, an internal report concluded Monday.

The report, prepared by the Justice Department’s inspector general and its internal ethics office, singles out for particular criticism Monica Goodling, a young lawyer from the Republican National Committee who rose quickly through the ranks of the department to become a top aide to Mr. Gonzales.

Ms. Goodling, who testified before Congress in May 2007 at the height of the scandal over the firings of nine United States attorneys, introduced politics into the hiring process in a systematic way that constituted illegal misconduct, the report found.

Last month, the inspector general, Glenn A. Fine, released a separate report that found a similar pattern of politicized hiring at the Justice Department in reviewing applications from young lawyers for the honors and intern programs. The new report released Monday goes much further, however, in documenting pervasive evidence of political hiring for some of the department’s most senior career, apolitical positions, including immigration judges and assistant United States attorneys.

The inspector general’s investigation found that Ms. Goodling and a handful of other senior aides to Mr. Gonzales developed a system of using in-person interviews and Internet searches to screen out candidates who might be too liberal and to identify candidates seen as pro-Republican and supportive of President Bush.

When interviewed by the inspector general, Mr. Gonzales said he was not aware that Ms. Goodling and other aides were using political criteria in their decisions for career positions. Mr. Gonzales resigned last summer in the face of mounting accusations from congressional Democrats that politics had corrupted the department.

His successor, Attorney General Michael Mukasey, said in a statement Monday after the report’s release that he was disturbed by their findings that improper political considerations were used in hiring decisions relating to some career employees.

“I have said many times, both to members of the public and to Department employees, it is neither permissible nor acceptable to consider political affiliations in the hiring of career Department employees,” he said. “And I have acted, and will continue to act, to ensure that my words are translated into reality so that the conduct described in this report does not occur again at the Department.”

He said that over the course of the last year and a half, the Justice Department has made institutional changes to remedy the problems discussed in today’s report.

“It is crucial that the American people have confidence in the propriety of what we do and how we do it,” he said, “and I will continue my efforts to make certain they can have such confidence.”

An attorney for Ms. Goodling, John Dowd, did not return a phone message Monday.

In her position as White House liaison for the Justice Department, Ms. Goodling was involved in hiring lawyers for both political appointments and non-political, career positions. Regardless of the type of position, the report said, Ms. Goodling would run through the same batch of questions, asking candidates about their political philosophies, why they wanted to serve President Bush, and who, aside from Mr. Bush, they admired as public servants. Sometimes, Ms. Goodling would ask: “Why are you a Republican?”

Such questioning was allowed for candidates to political appointments, but was clearly banned under both civil service law and the Justice Department’s own internal policies, the inspector general said. Ms. Goodling’s questioning also generated complaints from one senior official who believed it was improper, long before the issue became a public controversy following the firings of nine United States attorneys. The inspector general concluded that Ms. Goodling knew that questioning applicants to career positions about their political beliefs was improper.

In one case, for instance, Ms. Goodling slowed the hiring of a prosecutor in the United States attorney’s office in Washington, D.C., for a vacancy because she said she was concerned that he was a “liberal Democrat.” After the United States attorney, Jeffrey Taylor, complained to her supervisors, he was allowed to hire the candidate anyway.

And in another case, colleagues said that Ms. Goodling refused to extend the appointment of a female prosecutor because she believed the lawyer was involved in a lesbian relationship with her supervisor, according to the report.

And in another case cited by the inspector general, Ms. Goodling blocked the hiring of an experienced prosecutor for a senior counter-terrorism position because his wife was active in Democratic politics. The candidate was regarded as “head and shoulders above the other candidates” in the view of officials in the executive office of United States attorneys, but they were forced to take a candidate with much less experience because he was deemed acceptable to Ms. Goodling.

In forwarding a résumé in 2006 from a lawyer who was working for the Federalist Society, Ms. Goodling sent an e-mail message to the head of the Office of Legal Counsel, Steven Bradbury, saying: “Am attaching a résumé for a young, conservative female lawyer.”

Ms. Goodling interviewed the woman herself for possible positions and wrote in her notes such phrases as “pro-God in public life,” and “pro-marriage, anti-civil union.” She was eventually hired as a career prosecutor.

Ms. Goodling also conducted extensive searches on the Internet to glean the political or ideological leanings of candidates for career positions, the report found. She and other Justice Department supervisors would look for key phrases like “abortion,” “homosexual,” “guns,” or “Florida re-count” to get information on a candidate’s political leanings.

Any one that tries to defend Alberto Gonzalez has an impossible task.
His defense? "I ran the 'Justice Department' but did not realize they were breaking the law." so he is arguing he was incompetent? That the highest official to 'upkeep' the law, could not even do it with his own subordinates?
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Any one that tries to defend Alberto Gonzalez has an impossible task.
His defense? "I ran the 'Justice Department' but did not realize they were breaking the law." so he is arguing he was incompetent? That the highest official to 'upkeep' the law, could not even do it with his own subordinates?
Even that argument doesn't hold water. The fact that this woman had multiple complaints launched about her to supervisors alone tells you that the chain of command was well aware of what was going on.

In a place that large, these stories spread like forest fire. I have no doubt at all that he was aware of at least the general manner in which she did the hiring. Having worked at a firm of hundreds of lawyers, it becomes very apparent that the top is aware of what even the very lowly bottom is doing, not because they necessarily care or because they are actively spying, but because you simply can't stifle complaints like these or the stories that flow from them.
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Even that argument doesn't hold water.
I am not saying it does.
I am saying if you are a supporter
and you give him the benefit of the doubt (not that he deserves it)


He was the head of the "Justice Department"
the ultimate person responsible for justice..



and this is his argument?

'The people right under my nose, that report directly to me, broke the laws consistently for extended periods of time and I was ignorant and oblivious to it."
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Oh I didn't think you believed the stupidity of the argument.

He could have come up with a better BS line to feed the public. Something like suggesting that others were covering up, but as soon as he got wind of it, action was taken in the form of ___ and ___ (make it up, as they always do). Even his lies are so lazy.
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Oh I didn't think you believed the stupidity of the argument.

He could have come up with a better BS line to feed the public. Something like suggesting that others were covering up, but as soon as he got wind of it, action was taken in the form of ___ and ___ (make it up, as they always do). Even his lies are so lazy.
I think there is too much of a paper trail.

and he may actually face some legal consequences.

So they just reverted to the old "I don't recall" or "I did not know" defense.

No 'intent' no offense.
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