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Old 03-23-2003, 01:46 PM   #1
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Iraq Shows Dead and Captured U.S. Soldiers
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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraqi television showed video on Sunday of at least four bodies, said to be U.S. soldiers, and five prisoners who said they were Americans taken in a battle near the southern city of Nassiriya.


The video showed two rooms each containing what appeared to be two separate groups of four bodies in military uniform. Two of the prisoners, including a woman, appeared to be wounded. One was lying on the floor on a rug.


They were the first U.S. prisoners known to have been taken by Iraq (news - web sites) since U.S.-led forces invaded four days ago to overthrow President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites). The prisoners gave their names and home towns and one provided his military identification number.


In Washington, U.S. defense officials said a small number of U.S. troops had apparently been captured and others killed by the Iraqi military, and that they were notifying families based on information from the videotape.


The bodies and prisoners were shown on Iraqi television, relayed by the Arabic network Al-Jazeera, which said the dead and wounded had been taken during a battle at the town of Souq al-Shuyukh, southeast of the southern Iraqi city of Nassiriya where U.S. forces have encountered stiff resistance.


Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said the video apparently showing American prisoners of war was a violation of the Geneva Convention. The International Committee of the Red Cross agreed the footage violated the convention.


The dead bodies were strewn on the floor in pools of blood. In the first room, at least two had wounds to the head and another had a groin wound. In the second room, a smiling Iraqi uncovered the bodies, several of which had blackened faces.


The first prisoner shown gave his name as Miller and said he was from Kansas.


Asked why he had come to Iraq he replied: "Because I was told to come here. I was just under orders. I was told to shoot -- only if I'm shot at. I don't want to kill anybody."


Iraqi Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan had announced earlier that enemy soldiers captured at Souq al-Shuyukh would soon be shown on state television.


HEAVY FIGHTING


General Richard Myers, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, told ABC television some Americans -- fewer than 10 -- were missing in southern Iraq, but a defense official said later the exact numbers of prisoners were unclear.


Speaking on condition of anonymity, the official said the missing U.S. personnel were probably members of a maintenance unit that was operating in southern Iraq, but did not say how many were missing, citing numbers from eight to 12.


Two of the prisoners shown by Iraqi TV said they were from the 507th Maintenance Company.


The 507th Corps Support Group provides supplies, equipment, repairs and maintenance and would usually provide support as far forward as possible to the 82nd Airborne Division, the 3rd Infantry Division and the 101st Airborne Division.


U.S. officers said Marines battling Iraqi guerrillas for Nassiriya, on the Euphrates river about 375 km (225 miles) southeast of Baghdad, had taken "significant" casualties in a fight to open a route north to the Iraqi capital.


The second prisoner shown, who gave his name as Joseph Hudson, said he came from El Paso, Texas.


Asked why he had come to Iraq, he said: "I follow orders."


He was asked repeatedly whether he was greeted by guns or flowers by Iraqis, but appeared not to understand the question.


A third man who appeared to have a broken arm, was lying on a red patterned rug, but was pulled into a sitting position to answer questions. He gave his name as Edgar from Texas and said only that he had entered Iraq from Kuwait.


A fourth prisoner gave his name as Sergeant James Riley from New Jersey and said he was 31 years old. He appeared to be in shock, turning his head from side to side.


The fifth, an African American woman who gave her name as Shawna, said she was 30 and had a bandaged ankle.


Appearing on CBS television, Rumsfeld was shown the footage of the soldiers.


"That's a violation of the Geneva Convention, those pictures you showed," he said of the international law on treatment of prisoners of war, which he said prohibits the photographing or interrogation by media of those captured in battle.


Pictures of Iraqi soldiers surrendering to U.S.-led forces in that last few days have been features prominently on U.S. television and in newspapers.





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Our media report that Iraqi TV also showed one of the pilots from the shot down plane...
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I will be thinking of their families tonight.
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In related news, It is being reported that Iraqis have feigned surrender complete with white flag, then when approached opened fire on American Forces.

A bit careless I may initially say of our forces.. However, Do they not realize that that trick only works once? Unfortunately, The next Iraqi waving a white flag--even if in genuine surrender--will likely have a significant encounter will a 105mm round.

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A bit late for that now. See here. (WARNING! NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART. I REALLY MEAN IT.)

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In related news, It is being reported that Iraqis have feigned surrender complete with white flag, then when approached opened fire on American Forces.

I thought I heard that on the radio somewhere, but I couldn't be sure it wasn't a wild rumor or a figment of my imagination.

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A bit careless I may initially say of our forces.. However, Do they not realize that that trick only works once? Unfortunately, The next Iraqi waving a white flag--even if in genuine surrender--will likely have a significant encounter will a 105mm round.
Very true. Just shows how much the Iraqi government really cares about its troops.

A few hours after it was announced that the 10 POWs were dead, I heard some Iraqi foreign minister speaking on the radio saying something to the effect that "we will treat all prisoners of war properly, in accordance with the principles of Islam and the Geneva Conventions." Guess the Iraqi propaganda machine dropped the ball there.
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are you sure that it has been announced that all of the POWs are dead? i know that five are confirmed dead, and others were killed in the battle. i had not heard yet that the other POWs (the ones interviewed on camera) had been killed. and i can't find that news anywhere.
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are you sure that it has been announced that all of the POWs are dead? i know that five are confirmed dead, and others were killed in the battle. i had not heard yet that the other POWs (the ones interviewed on camera) had been killed. and i can't find that news anywhere.
I haven't heard that they're all dead. But the Iraqis are definitely not putting them up in nice, humane POW camps. I'll bet my soul on that.
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true. sadly, that goes without question.

God bless them...
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As much as I believe we should be there, seeing POWs and dead American soldiers is horrible.

The reports I have heard were that the soldiers were shot point blank in the head.

Horrible.
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Speedracer, what was the point of that link?
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yes Speed, I just saw the words 'Check our Porn sites' and immediately closed it up!

dont **** about!

I never saw the pics of the dead (I dont know if it showed the pics of the dead on the British channels), but saw the ones of the captured and all I can think is god knows what terrible interrogation they are suffering at the moment.......

I dont know, but what Bush says will be of no imortance to those who captured them...........

its terrible, all that has happened so far.............absolutely awful...


My mum is raging that the Brits and Americans showed the pics of the captured, she said, 'imagine if the parents look and see thats their son/daughter!' - she thinks its bad taste with that, but then Irag showed that - obviously more to its own pple. In fact mum is angry it shows soldiers in front of the camera shooting or walking or loading up, in case someone spots someone they know - it could be bad enough seeing that person...............wondering if they will live or not......

this is gonna be one heck of a tough war now.......

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