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Old 10-06-2006, 09:56 AM   #16
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Exactly. It's because we don't talk about it that we have all these problems. (Well, that's one of the reasons. I'd argue the biggest.)

I agree with LivLuv, too. Chances are youth/singles/whoever are going to have sex at one point in their lives, or at the very least have sexual feelings. To not talk about this is dangerous. Christians need to realize sex is important and, as BVS said, a gift from God. If that's the case, what do we do with it? He created us as sexual beings, what does that mean? These are big questions that demand answers.
Read my post again, and tell me if you think I'm advocating "not talking about sexuality".
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Did I mention your name?
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I actually sort of agree with 80s here in that I'm not sure this has anything to do with the sermon. I don't think politics belong in sermons either, and I would think what people do in their bedrooms doesn't. I don't see why it's unreasonable that this would be offered in classes for couples - Churches run tons of these as it is, and it just seems like the proper place to do it.

Not because I think it offends or because sex is icky (I am after all, a leftist ) but because I don't see how it really relates to spreading the gospel.

Maybe I'm missing something.
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Did I mention your name?
No you didn't, but I thought you were because there were only two of us who had voiced opposition to these sermons, and I was the one who had done the most recent posts. I apologize if it wasn't addressed to me.
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I'm sure you weren't referring to my post when you wrote this, because my post doesn't indicate anything different from your post.
I wasn't.
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I think this is a good idea. Sex is part of marriage and family. It should be celebrated. In the Catholic Church marriage is a sacrament. It's not easy to keep marriage vows but it's doable.
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well, sex is deffinitly something that should be discussed among christians, we are, after all, sexual beings just like the next person. and if we are to keep ourselves pure we have to understand our bodies and acknowledge its needs by understanding them not denying. but i strongly disaprove discussing it during worship time! it's something that should be discussed in smaler group, women to women and men to men.
duscussing it openly would perhaps disturb people like some of my friends from church who don't want to get married, and certanly it would make the weaker (and i do concider myself to be one of those ) to struggle....
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I actually sort of agree with 80s here in that I'm not sure this has anything to do with the sermon. I don't think politics belong in sermons either, and I would think what people do in their bedrooms doesn't. I don't see why it's unreasonable that this would be offered in classes for couples - Churches run tons of these as it is, and it just seems like the proper place to do it.

Not because I think it offends or because sex is icky (I am after all, a leftist ) but because I don't see how it really relates to spreading the gospel.

Maybe I'm missing something.
I see where you're coming from here. However, I don't think sermons are always about spreading the Gospel. That's certainly a huge part of being a Christian, but not the only part. The goal of any good church should be to help its people grow in their relationship with God, become well-rounded people and to help others enter into a relationship with God, through Christ. Since sex is a part of people's lives and part of how we relate to each other, I think it's important to talk about. Plus, many people have been sexually abused or are addicted to porn. These people may not attend a class for whatever reason. During the sermon they can hear about how sex is actually something sacred and beautiful God created to strengthen the relationship of a husband and wife, not what the world's making it out to be.

I believe when those of us who have made bad decisions regarding sex or those who have been hurt sexually learn that there's more to sex if it's done as God intended, it can strengthen a person's relationship with God, too.

Check out www.myspace.com/xxxchurch and you can read blogs from people in the porn industry who have left it because of this realization.
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Since sex is a part of people's lives and part of how we relate to each other, I think it's important to talk about. Plus, many people have been sexually abused or are addicted to porn. These people may not attend a class for whatever reason. During the sermon they can hear about how sex is actually something sacred and beautiful God created to strengthen the relationship of a husband and wife, not what the world's making it out to be.
Do you agree with the chucrch in the article presenting the sermonds that are described in the article?
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Well, you can't tell a whole lot from the article. I doubt they're getting up there and showing different positions and saying "Go home and try this."

They said they're talking about sex in the context of faith. Of course they could be doing something wrong with this, but I don't know all that they're doing.
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But 80s point still stands - what proportion of the congregation will find that relevant at that point in their lives? My grandmother, a very devout woman, wouldn't care, to be honest and I can't imagine any of my elderly, widowed relatives would either.

To me, anything in a Church that's specific to groups of people should be outside of the sermon. That's why we have youth groups, couples counselling, mothers groups and so on.
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But 80s point still stands - what proportion of the congregation will find that relevant at that point in their lives? My grandmother, a very devout woman, wouldn't care, to be honest and I can't imagine any of my elderly, widowed relatives would either.

To me, anything in a Church that's specific to groups of people should be outside of the sermon. That's why we have youth groups, couples counselling, mothers groups and so on.
the article did say it was a Wednesday night service

not at the Sunday services

so I imagine elderly single people would not bother to attend
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i can't see why, at my church everybody bothers to come
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