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Old 06-19-2009, 11:57 AM   #601
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It matters when those commentators affect the presenting of the news and the "sides" that are taken.


which they do on prime time shows or on stuff like "The Beltway Boys" or whatever else, but please point me to the clear bias that "liberal" Fox News (or MSNBC) people show when they are reporting -- not commentating -- on events in Iran.

also, you seem to be assuming that if someone is personally more liberal or conservative then they are incapable of delivering a factual newscast. am i to assume that because you are conservative that i absolutely cannot depend upon you to give me any sort of accurate reporting on any event in the news? aren't you assuming that reporters and journalists -- who are not being paid to offer their opinions, like O'Reilly and Hannity and others are -- must therefore be incapable of doing their job?

also, who are you to decide who is and who isn't liberal? is Shep Smith a "liberal" because he's said something against torture? is that the new standard of liberal?

you've devised a very convenient system of labeling people so that you can quickly dismiss any sort of news that might be discordant with your worldview.
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also, who are you to decide who is and who isn't liberal? is Shep Smith a "liberal" because he's said something against torture? is that the new standard of liberal?

you've devised a very convenient system of labeling people so that you can quickly dismiss any sort of news that might be discordant with your worldview.

Unfortunately this is the new standard of the tea bag crowd.
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Parade Magazine, yesterday


Two days before the inauguration, PARADE published a letter from Barack Obama to his daughters about what he hoped for them and all the children of America. The letter attracted international attention. On this Father's Day, we asked the President to reflect on what fatherhood means to him.


As the father of two young girls who have shown such poise, humor, and patience in the unconventional life into which they have been thrust, I mark this Father’s Day—our first in the White House—with a deep sense of gratitude. One of the greatest benefits of being President is that I now live right above the office. I see my girls off to school nearly every morning and have dinner with them nearly every night. It is a welcome change after so many years out on the campaign trail and commuting between Chicago and Capitol Hill.

But I observe this Father’s Day not just as a father grateful to be present in my daughters’ lives but also as a son who grew up without a father in my own life. My father left my family when I was 2 years old, and I knew him mainly from the letters he wrote and the stories my family told. And while I was lucky to have two wonderful grandparents who poured everything they had into helping my mother raise my sister and me, I still felt the weight of his absence throughout my childhood.

As an adult, working as a community organizer and later as a legislator, I would often walk through the streets of Chicago’s South Side and see boys marked by that same absence—boys without supervision or direction or anyone to help them as they struggled to grow into men. I identified with their frustration and disengagement—with their sense of having been let down.

In many ways, I came to understand the importance of fatherhood through its absence—both in my life and in the lives of others. I came to understand that the hole a man leaves when he abandons his responsibility to his children is one that no government can fill. We can do everything possible to provide good jobs and good schools and safe streets for our kids, but it will never be enough to fully make up the difference.

That is why we need fathers to step up, to realize that their job does not end at conception; that what makes you a man is not the ability to have a child but the courage to raise one.

As fathers, we need to be involved in our children’s lives not just when it’s convenient or easy, and not just when they’re doing well—but when it’s difficult and thankless, and they’re struggling. That is when they need us most.

And it’s not enough to just be physically present. Too often, especially during tough economic times like these, we are emotionally absent: distracted, consumed by what’s happening in our own lives, worried about keeping our jobs and paying our bills, unsure if we’ll be able to give our kids the same opportunities we had.

Our children can tell. They know when we’re not fully there. And that disengagement sends a clear message—whether we mean it or not—about where among our priorities they fall.

So we need to step out of our own heads and tune in. We need to turn off the television and start talking with our kids, and listening to them, and understanding what’s going on in their lives.

We need to set limits and expectations. We need to replace that video game with a book and make sure that homework gets done. We need to say to our daughters, Don’t ever let images on TV tell you what you are worth, because I expect you to dream without limit and reach for your goals. We need to tell our sons, Those songs on the radio may glorify violence, but in our house, we find glory in achievement, self-respect, and hard work.

We need to realize that we are our children’s first and best teachers. When we are selfish or inconsiderate, when we mistreat our wives or girlfriends, when we cut corners or fail to control our tempers, our children learn from that—and it’s no surprise when we see those behaviors in our schools or on our streets.

But it also works the other way around. When we work hard, treat others with respect, spend within our means, and contribute to our communities, those are the lessons our children learn. And that is what so many fathers are doing every day—coaching soccer and Little League, going to those school assemblies and parent-teacher conferences, scrimping and saving and working that extra shift so their kids can go to college. They are fulfilling their most fundamental duty as fathers: to show their children, by example, the kind of people they want them to become.

It is rarely easy. There are plenty of days of struggle and heartache when, despite our best efforts, we fail to live up to our responsibilities. I know I have been an imperfect father. I know I have made mistakes. I have lost count of all the times, over the years, when the demands of work have taken me from the duties of fatherhood. There were many days out on the campaign trail when I felt like my family was a million miles away, and I knew I was missing moments of my daughters’ lives that I’d never get back. It is a loss I will never fully accept.

But on this Father’s Day, I think back to the day I drove Michelle and a newborn Malia home from the hospital nearly 11 years ago—crawling along, miles under the speed limit, feeling the weight of my daughter’s future resting in my hands. I think about the pledge I made to her that day: that I would give her what I never had—that if I could be anything in life, I would be a good father. I knew that day that my own life wouldn’t count for much unless she had every opportunity in hers. And I knew I had an obligation, as we all do, to help create those opportunities and leave a better world for her and all our children.

On this Father’s Day, I am recommitting myself to that work, to those duties that all parents share: to build a foundation for our children’s dreams, to give them the love and support they need to fulfill them, and to stick with them the whole way through, no matter what doubts we may feel or difficulties we may face. That is my prayer for all of us on this Father’s Day, and that is my hope for this nation in the months and years ahead.
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Mike Green, an employee with Lexington GOP consulting firm Starboard Communications apologized for an online joke about President Barack Obama taxing aspirin “because it’s white and it works.”
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But I thought racism was gone...
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But I thought racism was gone...
we all know that it's the accusation of racism that's actually far, far wose.
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Aside from him and Pat Buchanan, I can't think of other conservative-leaning people on that network. Fox has frequent guests Alan Colmes, Juan Williams, Bob Beckel, Ellis Henican, Mort Kondrake, Geraldo Rivera and hosts Shepard Smith and Greta all lean left.

You can't make this comparison, though. O'Reilly has criticized both sides and been fair to Obama on mulitple instances. Olbermann doesn't do that. Beck has been very critical of Republicans recently. Maddow, Olbermann and Schultz are hardcore Democrats. They just are. I have never seen them attack a liberal or defend a conservative. Matthews is slightly more fair, but not much.

That's not true. Juan Williams, Mara Liasson and Mort Kondrake are regular panelists on that show.

Cavuto has attacked the Bush administration constantly when it comes to spending.

Who cares what the slogan is? MSNBC is "the place for politics," but I could certainly argue that they specialize in presenting primarily liberal politics. CNN is "the best political team on television," and that's debatable also...
I forgot I even responded to this thread, sorry for a late response.
If you include 'contributors' which let's face it, you have to when discussing the balance of Fox, then it's pretty much the same list.

Mort Kondracke is a liberal? Yeah, that about says it all, doesn't it?
I sort of like him, he's consistent and pretty measured but he ain't no liberal. Not in the real world. Ellis Henican writes for Newsday, so does that mean MSNBC gets credit for the people who appear that write for the Washington Post or The Weekly Standard or National Review?

You see what I mean? This is silly. If I wanted to take the time I could list plenty of them but it's a silly issue to me. You're not being the least bit objective. The cable news shows ask people to come on, they almost always come on and all the networks have all sorts of different 'contributors'. This particular myth about MSNBC comes straight from the talk radio crap.

I think Bill-O runs his ship pretty well and believe it or not, I think he holds a high ground over the farce that is Olbermann. Beck being critical of Republicans means nothing, Republicans aren't conservative half the time, they parrot the message to get the vote. Then they go and spend, spend, spend like their hair is on fire. Criticizing Reps has nothing to do with this. It's about conservative/liberal.

Rachel Maddow has gone after Dems before, because she is a true liberal.
If you can understand what I just said, then we can find common ground here.

Cavuto is a harcore conservative!!! Bush was anything but, with regard to fiscal policy. This is evidence of what, exactly? That Cavuto actually is a conservative? Uh, yeah.

Who cares what the slogan is?
So you don't care about truth in advertising? Honesty?
Wow, that's disappointing.

As for that Fox panel show, I watch it often. It's actually a pretty decent barometer of where (generally speaking) some of the more sober conservative opinion is at the moment. And occasionally Juan Williams will be on it. And because Mara works for NPR, that automatically makes her a liberal? Uh, no.
Their opinions tell you more than their place of employment.

I saw it just the other day. Barnes Hayes Kondracke Krauthammer Baier.
That's 3 died-in-the-wool conservatives, a moderate conservative and the host, who I would assume because he ascended to Brit Hume's throne, follows the line. Brit Hume is a bigtime admitted Jesus conservative. I don't know that for sure about Baier but I would assume. He's a Catholic from the South. I mean, c'mon.

You could argue that's all 5.

We aren't going to agree, so I'll move on.
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Maryland GOP group: ‘Obama and Hitler have a great deal in common.’

Today, former TP member Judd Legum reports that the Republican Women of Anne Arundel County, “one of Maryland’s most prominent Republican organizations,” has launched a vicious attack on President Obama. Featured prominently on the front page of the group’s website is a letter from RWAAC President Joyce E. Thoman, who explicitly equates Obama with Hitler:

Obama and Hitler have a great deal in common in my view. Obama and Hitler use the “blitzkrieg” method to overwhelm their enemies. FAST, CARPET BOMBING intent on destruction. Hitler’s blitzkrieg bombing destroyed many European cities – quickly and effectively. Obama is systematically destroying the American economy and with it AMERICA. First the banking/investment industry, next private enterprise (GM and Chrysler) and now HEALTH CARE. And he is working on grabbing more of the American economy with his environmental extremism!

We too CAN fight back. Contact everyone you know. Start a blitzkrieg of our own. Shut down the Capitol switchboards and the White House switchboards! Say NO to the Obamination of Obama Care!
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More batshit crazies!!!
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Wait for his Operation Barbarossa then.
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" Obama and Hitler have a great deal in common in my view. Obama and Hitler use the blitzkrieg method to overwhelm their enemies. FAST, CARPET BOMBING intent on destruction. Hitler’s blitzkrieg bombing destroyed many European cities – quickly and effectively. Obama is systematically destroying the American economy and with it AMERICA. First the banking/investment industry, next private enterprise (GM and Chrysler) and now HEALTH CARE. And he is working on grabbing more of the American economy with his environmental extremism!

We too CAN fight back. Contact everyone you know. Start a blitzkrieg of our own. Shut down the Capitol switchboards and the White House switchboards! Say NO to the Obamination of Obama Care! "
Churchill was better at this sort of thing, in my view.
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Monday, Jun. 29, 2009
The Obamas Find a Church Home — Away from Home
By Amy Sullivan

For the past five months, White House aides and friends of the Obamas have been quietly visiting local churches and vetting the sermons of prospective first ministers in a search for a new — and uncontroversial — church home. Obama has even sampled a few himself, attending services at 19th Street Baptist on the weekend before his inauguration and celebrating Easter at St. John's Episcopal Church.

Now, in an unexpected move, Obama has told White House aides that instead of joining a congregation in Washington, D.C., he will follow in George W. Bush's footsteps and make his primary place of worship Evergreen Chapel, the nondenominational church at Camp David.

A number of factors drove the decision — financial, political, personal — but chief among them was the desire to worship without being on display. Obama was reportedly taken aback by the circus stirred up by his visit to 19th Street Baptist in January. Lines started forming three hours before the morning service, and many longtime members were literally left out in the cold as the church filled with outsiders eager to see the new President. Even at St. John's, which is so accustomed to presidential visitors that it is known as the "Church of the Presidents," worshippers couldn't help themselves from snapping photos of Obama on their camera phones as they walked down the aisle past him to take communion.

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The White House said Monday that President Barack Obama continues “to look for a church home,” and said a magazine report that he has stopped is erroneous.

White House deputy press secretary Jen Psaki said by e-mail: "The president and first family continue to look for a church home. They have enjoyed worshiping at Camp David and several other congregations over the months, and will choose a church at the time that is best for their family.
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I honestly dont think Obama believes in god or is religious. I think he just said that he was so he wouldnt upset half of America. I, personally, would have no problem voting for an agnostic or atheist (as I am agnostic myself)... but unfortunately this country puts personal religion as one of the most important traits a president should have.
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I honestly dont think Obama believes in god or is religious. I think he just said that he was so he wouldnt upset half of America. I, personally, would have no problem voting for an agnostic or atheist (as I am agnostic myself)... but unfortunately this country puts personal religion as one of the most important traits a president should have.
That's a very good point, given his upbringing and the very practical benefits that he touts about faith (a means to an end, rather than an end in itself), it wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't accept a lot of Christian doctrine (Jesus literally being the son of God for instance), but saying he is probably a nonbeliever comes across as an attack on his character, which is because of the obscene religious tests which the American public have been conditioned to accept.

For all the rubbish involving Rick Warren at the inauguration, faith based initiatives, and invoking religion in the campaign, he hasn't mixed religion and public policy very much. I'm very pleased with his secularism, which seems considered, and is admirable regardless of his personal beliefs.
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Guys, he's a fucking muslim, can't you tell?
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