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Old 04-20-2009, 01:20 PM   #316
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What did I fall for exactly? That there are many people who sincerely believed with starstruck devotion that Obama was going to quickly undo all the major wrongs of Bush...as promised? That many people sit idly by and hope (pray) that the government keeps them out of harm's way (and spares them the messy details)? That there are many people who still blame Bush for current policy decisions that are unpopular because there's "no choice"...

What does being "saved" personally even mean in this political discussion? If that means the jobs and cash flow for corporate giant CEOs or Bush administration criminals, then yes, very very small percentage saved indeed.
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Klein is writing from the perspective of a professional activist, not wanting to lose the potential she and other activists saw during the campaign for "tactics like sit-ins, squats and occupations...seeing a resurgence." I think the "growing number of Obama enthusiasts are starting to entertain the possibility..." part is probably less an observation of what she actually perceives to be true on a mass level, than an attempt to plant an idea in her audience's minds which might then be redirected towards the "resurgence" of grassroots activism she and other activists were hoping for all along (after all, no one could say 'Everything's going great!' in an economic climate like this, so maybe that could be parlayed into a renewed sense of urgency).
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What did I fall for exactly? That there are many people who sincerely believed with starstruck devotion that Obama was going to quickly undo all the major wrongs of Bush...as promised? That many people sit idly by and hope (pray) that the government keeps them out of harm's way (and spares them the messy details)? That there are many people who still blame Bush for current policy decisions that are unpopular because there's "no choice"...
Exactly, you fell for THIS lie.
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Oh noes!!!

Maybe we would get much further if we ignored and pissed off the bad people.
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Exactly, you fell for THIS lie.
In my opinion, thinking that's a lie is denial.

I don't watch the crazy pundits so I can't really comment on the extent of the exaggeration of their pointing and laughing. But I also know that thoughtful, well informed voters don't buy into that crazy shit anyway so its no worth worrying about reasonable people being brainwashed by overexposure.
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In my opinion, thinking that's a lie is denial.
Well if you find a large example of people that "sincerely believe with starstruck devotion that Obama was going to quickly undo all the major wrongs of Bush", then I'll concede.

But I doubt you'll find this example. For most know it takes time, most know it won't even happen during his term(s), most just see him as a step in the right direction and not THE answer.
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BVS, touchy touchy. You seem to have taken the article WAY too seriously and missed the main point about real change coming from the ground up, NOT from corporate-sponsored government.
Well, this would make an interesting thread for discussion in itself!

From my perspecive, contrary to popular belief, traditional libertarian conservatives, or 'paleocons', as they are sometimes known (whatever that means) are not big fans at all of corporatism or even corporate-sponsored government. I honestly see corporatism and socialism as two sides of the same coin.
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Maybe I should brush up on my political science but it does seem to me that all those terms seem to have rather flexible application and multi-definitions these days.
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Bablefish - Spanish to English so he can read the book Chavez gave him.




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What grade will he get?
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You make your president go through reports? It's just like being at school. What will his parents say if the grade is poor?
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The 100 days report will be in soon.

What grade will he get?
Americans still think Babelfish works?
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Sure it works!

Bablefish is what the Bush people used to verify the WMDs.
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