Global Warming / Gimmie Some Truth - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 03-08-2007, 08:29 PM   #1
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
the iron horse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: in a glass of CheerWine
Posts: 3,251
Local Time: 01:06 AM
Global Warming / Gimmie Some Truth

Please post the facts to support this dire claim.

I"m kind of tired of "scare us to death" propaganda.

I'm still waiting for those Baby Boomers to drop dead from second-hand smoke since they all grew up in a time when smoking was allowed virtually everywhere.


My 2 cents
__________________

__________________
the iron horse is offline  
Old 03-08-2007, 08:35 PM   #2
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Vincent Vega's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Berlin
Posts: 6,615
Local Time: 07:06 AM
We should do your research?

And where is the connection to smoking?

And why this dismissing tone?
__________________

__________________
Vincent Vega is offline  
Old 03-08-2007, 08:35 PM   #3
Blue Crack Addict
 
anitram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: NY
Posts: 16,284
Local Time: 01:06 AM
Re: Global Warming / Gimmie Some Truth

Quote:
Originally posted by the iron horse


I'm still waiting for those Baby Boomers to drop dead from second-hand smoke since they all grew up in a time when smoking was allowed virtually everywhere.
They're too busy dropping dead from first-hand smoke.
__________________
anitram is offline  
Old 03-08-2007, 08:37 PM   #4
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 40,667
Local Time: 12:06 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Vincent Vega
We should do your research?

And where is the connection to smoking?

And why this dismissing tone?
Nothing new.
__________________
BVS is offline  
Old 03-08-2007, 08:41 PM   #5
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
the iron horse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: in a glass of CheerWine
Posts: 3,251
Local Time: 01:06 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by Vincent Vega
We should do your research?

And where is the connection to smoking?

And why this dismissing tone?

Why should do your research?

I'm just thinking we should all do some research and thinking about the subject.



*just a liberatiain fool
__________________
the iron horse is offline  
Old 03-08-2007, 08:44 PM   #6
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Vincent Vega's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Berlin
Posts: 6,615
Local Time: 07:06 AM
Many here are liberal, if you so want. I would say, so far everybody.

You asked for facts, not me.
So, if you want some, do the research.
I never asked you to do my research.
__________________
Vincent Vega is offline  
Old 03-09-2007, 02:16 AM   #7
The Fly
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Lindenhurst Long Island
Posts: 174
Local Time: 06:06 AM
FACT:The polar ice cap will melt,and we will all die or live on cruise ships.That is if a meteor does not kill us first.We deserve it.
__________________
u2fan628 is offline  
Old 03-09-2007, 06:47 AM   #8
ONE
love, blood, life
 
A_Wanderer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 12,518
Local Time: 04:06 PM
The Earth is warming, anthropogenic factors are forcing it (land use changes and putting carbon out of traps into the atmosphere), there are other factors that influence it and the specific results of these changes are difficult to predict.

If we reduce carbon emissions then we may be able to avoid a disaster scenario of global warming in the range of 5 degrees plus over the next century.

For the record though politicians are arseholes and are using global warming to get more power.
__________________
A_Wanderer is offline  
Old 03-09-2007, 09:10 AM   #9
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 24,979
Local Time: 01:06 AM

The truth I know about it right now is it hasn't existed where I live all week, it has been freezing
__________________
MrsSpringsteen is offline  
Old 03-09-2007, 10:24 AM   #10
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,483
Local Time: 01:06 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by the iron horse



Why should do your research?

I'm just thinking we should all do some research and thinking about the subject.



*just a liberatiain fool


lots of research has been done. there's a wealth of it. and there's a near unanimous consensus.

__________________
Irvine511 is online now  
Old 03-09-2007, 10:55 AM   #11
Blue Crack Addict
 
DaveC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: illegitimi non carborundum
Posts: 17,407
Local Time: 01:06 AM
Re: Global Warming / Gimmie Some Truth

Quote:
Originally posted by the iron horse

I'm still waiting for those Baby Boomers to drop dead from second-hand smoke since they all grew up in a time when smoking was allowed virtually everywhere.
This sentence proves to me that you have no clue what you are on about.

At best, you're just looking for someone to post so you can try to suck them into a debate. At worst, you're looking for someone to post so you can flame them.

If you were genuinely curious, there would be no need for the condescending tone of your first post.

I'm not taking the bait.

__________________
DaveC is online now  
Old 03-09-2007, 11:08 AM   #12
ONE
love, blood, life
 
A_Wanderer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The Wild West
Posts: 12,518
Local Time: 04:06 PM
Checkout the IPCC AR4 info

http://www.ipcc.ch/activity/ar.htm

It has a summary of the latest research and presents the information; and best of all it isn't through the media lens.
__________________
A_Wanderer is offline  
Old 03-09-2007, 11:08 AM   #13
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS
 
Justin24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: San Mateo
Posts: 6,716
Local Time: 11:06 PM
Quote:
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/...05-fc28f14da388

Allegre's second thoughts
The Deniers -- The National Post's series on scientists who buck the conventional wisdom on climate science
LAWRENCE SOLOMON, Financial Post
Published: Friday, March 02, 2007
Claude Allegre, one of France's leading socialists and among her most celebrated scientists, was among the first to sound the alarm about the dangers of global warming.

"By burning fossil fuels, man increased the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere which, for example, has raised the global mean temperature by half a degree in the last century," Dr. Allegre, a renowned geochemist, wrote 20 years ago in Cles pour la geologie.." Fifteen years ago, Dr. Allegre was among the 1500 prominent scientists who signed "World Scientists' Warning to Humanity," a highly publicized letter stressing that global warming's "potential risks are very great" and demanding a new caring ethic that recognizes the globe's fragility in order to stave off "spirals of environmental decline, poverty, and unrest, leading to social, economic and environmental collapse."

The full Deniers series



In the 1980s and early 1990s, when concern about global warming was in its infancy, little was known about the mechanics of how it could occur, or the consequences that could befall us. Since then, governments throughout the western world and bodies such as the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have commissioned billions of dollars worth of research by thousands of scientists. With a wealth of data now in, Dr. Allegre has recanted his views. To his surprise, the many climate models and studies failed dismally in establishing a man-made cause of catastrophic global warming. Meanwhile, increasing evidence indicates that most of the warming comes of natural phenomena. Dr. Allegre now sees global warming as over-hyped and an environmental concern of second rank.


Email to a friend

Printer friendly
Font: ****His break with what he now sees as environmental cant on climate change came in September, in an article entitled "The Snows of Kilimanjaro" in l' Express, the French weekly. His article cited evidence that Antarctica is gaining ice and that Kilimanjaro's retreating snow caps, among other global-warming concerns, come from natural causes. "The cause of this climate change is unknown," he states matter of factly. There is no basis for saying, as most do, that the "science is settled."

Dr. Allegre's skepticism is noteworthy in several respects. For one, he is an exalted member of France's political establishment, a friend of former Socialist president Lionel Jospin, and, from 1997 to 2000, his minister of education, research and technology, charged with improving the quality of government research through closer co-operation with France's educational institutions. For another, Dr. Allegre has the highest environmental credentials. The author of early environmental books, he fought successful battles to protect the ozone layer from CFCs and public health from lead pollution. His break with scientific dogma over global warming came at a personal cost: Colleagues in both the governmental and environmental spheres were aghast that he could publicly question the science behind climate change.

But Dr. Allegre had allegiances to more than his socialist and environmental colleagues. He is, above all, a scientist of the first order, the architect of isotope geodynamics, which showed that the atmosphere was primarily formed early in the history of the Earth, and the geochemical modeller of the early solar system. Because of his path-breaking cosmochemical research, NASA asked Dr. Allegre to participate in the Apollo lunar program, where he helped determine the age of the Moon. Matching his scientific accomplishments in the cosmos are his accomplishments at home: Dr. Allegre is perhaps best known for his research on the structural and geochemical evolution of the Earth's crust and the creation of its mountains, explaining both the title of his article in l' Express and his revulsion at the nihilistic nature of the climate research debate.


Calling the arguments of those who see catastrophe in climate change "simplistic and obscuring the true dangers," Dr. Allegre especially despairs at "the greenhouse-gas fanatics whose proclamations consist in denouncing man's role on the climate without doing anything about it except organizing conferences and preparing protocols that become dead letters." The world would be better off, Dr. Allegre believes, if these "denouncers" became less political and more practical, by proposing practical solutions to head off the dangers they see, such as developing technologies to sequester C02. His dream, he says, is to see "ecology become the engine of economic development and not an artificial obstacle that creates fear."

Lawrence Solomon@nextcity.com

- - -

- Lawrence Solomon is executive director of Urban Renaissance Institute and Consumer Policy Institute, divisions of Energy Probe Research Foundation.

CV OF A DENIER:

Claude Allegre received a Ph D in physics in 1962 from the University of Paris. He became the director of the geochemistry and cosmochemistry program at the French National Scientific Research Centre in 1967 and in 1971, he was appointed director of the University of Paris's Department of Earth Sciences. In 1976, he became director of the Paris Institut de Physique du Globe. He is an author of more than 100 scientific articles, many of them seminal studies on the evolution of the Earth using isotopic evidence, and 11 books. He is a member of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences and the French Academy of Science.
__________________

__________________
Justin24 is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:06 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com