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Old 12-11-2007, 08:29 PM   #1
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Global Warming Crisis Even Worse Than Experts Thought

Jesus...

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Old 12-11-2007, 08:33 PM   #2
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Stop spreading socialist propaganda.
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I think this is what we need to focus on:

"We have not passed a point of no return. We can still roll things back in time - but it is going to require a quick turn in direction."
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^ agree 100%
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Ditto. Any steps we can take to try and deal with this now are worth doing.

Wow. That's kinda disturbing. Like there hasn't been enough screwy behavior with the earth's weather patterns as of late, I don't want to even begin to imagine how much worse it could get (that reference to the drought-stricken southeastern U.S.-I feel so bad for those people. I really hope they get the rain they so desperately need as soon as possible).

Now all we need to do is get people's butts in gear and make them actually get serious about tackling this.

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where are our "skeptics" who'll assure us that it really isn't anything to worry about? keep on driving.
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I'm personally skeptical of any solution that doesn't involve hydrogen fuel and the building of the nuclear plants necessary to generate it cleanly.

My main hopes are currently pinned on "global warming" being, at least in part, a hyperbole. Otherwise, I think we're screwed.
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I think this is what we need to focus on:

"We have not passed a point of no return. We can still roll things back in time - but it is going to require a quick turn in direction."
Buena Suerte!

Our Paris Hilton society isn't much for self-sacrifice--the pursuit of excess, materialism, and convenience are too engrained into our culture. Sure we'll throw our pop can in the recycling, buy some energy saving light bulbs, maybe a Hybrid (which makes us look cool), and talk about being Green, but ultimately very few people are making the lifestyle changes required for a "quick turn in direction."

One of the Landmark movie theaters I go to quite a bit in the Uptown area of Minneapolis used to only have air hand dryers in all the bathrooms because they are more environmentally friendly and cut down on waste. (They even apologize for the hand dryers and explain why they have them on a little placard next to the dryer) Recently they've switched back to paper towels because too many people complained. If the general public (especially in a more liberal and supposedly eco-conscience part of town) won't devote an extra 10 seconds to drying their hands, how can they be expected to make more difficult lifestyle changes?

My guess is that most people either don't truly believe that global warming is threat or they don't really care as long as they don't suffer any immediate discomfort from it.
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Gosh. We need to make some changes fast. This is scary.
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I'm personally skeptical of any solution that doesn't involve hydrogen fuel and the building of the nuclear plants necessary to generate it cleanly.

My main hopes are currently pinned on "global warming" being, at least in part, a hyperbole. Otherwise, I think we're screwed.
I heard Tim Flannery (Australian climate change expert) speak recently and he thinks the situation is so dire that nuclear power is the only way to address it--not as a long term solution but more as urgent intervention. I was very much opposed to this but I'm starting to change my mind.

My office is trying to go solar but there is great resistance from the city. There are city ordinances to preserve the historial appearance of the downtown area and solar panels cannot be seen.
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The frustrating thing about alternative energy is that many groups that are supposedly in favor of it, scream and moan when wind turbines are suggested in their neighborhood. Case in point, the current fight of the Cape Wind Project to put of a couple hundred turbines in Nantucket Sound. It would provide clean, cheap power to all of the Cape, but people are worried about how it's going to effect their view from their mutlimillion dollar beach front homes. The Kennedy's immediately come to mind as a vocal opponent of the project. The other excuses that they come up with are just as bad - it could harm the birds if they fly into the turbines. How about we give the birds a little bit more credit than that?

When the time comes for me to purchase or build a home, I want solar panels, geothermal heating and cooling, the whole deal. It's as much about protecting the environment as it is giving the middle finger to the utility companies.
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My office is trying to go solar but there is great resistance from the city. There are city ordinances to preserve the historial appearance of the downtown area and solar panels cannot be seen.
This is happening all over the country, it's quite disheartening. Some of it's ignorance and some of it's persuasion from current energy companies.

There was a story about a town in west TX that wanted to go wind power and the current energy company kept them from converting by maintaining some height ordiance that the city had. They had enough votes within the counsel to keep the ordinace alive, finally after years of struggling they are finally converting as we speak, but the whole town could have been powered much cheaper and efficient years ago if it wasn't for the monopoly that this company had on the town.
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A local dentist put up a wind turbine on her property and was sued by her neighbors who found it ugly and thought it would devalue their property. It leaves me speechless.

I'm renting a place that has solar panels for electricity. I guess I'm far enough away from the downtown area so that it's not an issue. My electricity bill all summer was around $4-5. This month it went up to $10 because rather than use my gas radiant heat I've been using an electric heater to save on gas. I converted to fluorescent light bulbs some time ago, and am saving up for my next car which will be some kind of hybrid. I'm doing all I can do personally but until we as a nation organize ourselves (much like they did during WWII, I was thinking recently) I can't imagine that my little contributions are making much of an impact.

My office is an arts organization and we've decided we can be creative with the solar panels so that they look like an art installation.
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I'm renting a place that has solar panels for electricity. I guess I'm far enough away from the downtown area so that it's not an issue. My electricity bill all summer was around $4-5.
That's awesome.
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I'm personally skeptical of any solution that doesn't involve hydrogen fuel and the building of the nuclear plants necessary to generate it cleanly.

My main hopes are currently pinned on "global warming" being, at least in part, a hyperbole. Otherwise, I think we're screwed.
Can you explain further why you think turning to nuclear energy is the best solution? I seriously dumped a guy this year because he believed the same thing (yes, I am that shallow.) I disagree wholeheartedly, but I admit that I am ignorant over the benefits. I only know of the risks...and that is a small amount of knowledge. It's okay though, he was a terrible kisser.

I have a lot of respect for you, and your posts here have really opened up my mind. So now I'm curious to know more about it.
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