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Old 11-02-2007, 08:59 PM   #1
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Give Organic Tomato Ketchup a Try

It does not contain high fructose corn syrup.
*just pure cane sugar

Give it a try on your next fries




Ever wonder why obesisty was never a problem until artificial sweetners came along?
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It does not contain high fructose corn syrup.
*just pure cane sugar

Give it a try on your next fries




Ever wonder why obesisty was never a problem until artificial sweetners came along?
It wouldn't have anything to do with people living more sedentary lifestyles, perchance?
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Ever wonder why obesisty was never a problem until artificial sweetners came along?
You mean, heart attacks and diabetes suddenly developed when artificial sweetners were discovered?
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You mean, heart attacks and diabetes suddenly developed when artificial sweetners were discovered?
High fructose corn syrup is tremendously bad for you, yet is heavily prevalent in nearly all of our food. Food manufacturers switched to it decades ago from standard sugar, because it was cheap. Frankly, just as we've been inclined to ban trans fats, I'd like to see high fructose corn syrup banned, as well.

Pretty much all of the meat and dairy I eat these days is organic. Frankly, it just tastes better and I can noticeably digest it better too.
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High fructose corn syrup is tremendously bad for you, yet is heavily prevalent in nearly all of our food. Food manufacturers switched to it decades ago from standard sugar, because it was cheap. Frankly, just as we've been inclined to ban trans fats, I'd like to see high fructose corn syrup banned, as well.

Pretty much all of the meat and dairy I eat these days is organic. Frankly, it just tastes better and I can noticeably digest it better too.
Agree with all of this. If I buy it at the grocery store, it's organic. If I eat out, chances are it's not but sometimes it is. There is a huge difference in taste to me. At a cookout recently I almost couldn't even eat the chicken because it just didn't taste right to me. Turns out, it was just cheap hormone filled crap from the regular grocery store. It didn't look right, it didn't taste right. Once you taste those big fluffy organic breasts and thighs (even the dark meat looks white) from Whole Foods (or some other place that carries organic meat) it is really hard to go back.

And as for the thread topic, I've been eating organic ketchup for at least 10 years. I love ketchup.
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I don't worry about sugar at all, and here we hardly use high fructose corn syrup, but artificial sweetners is more than just HFCS, and most of them are a good and healthy substitute for sugar as well. Of course, with anything, it largely depends on to which extent you use it.
Same goes with cane sugar. Obesity and diabetes can be caused by both cane sugar and HFCS.
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The blame for obesity can't be placed strictly on high fructose corn syrup. The availability of food has never been greater. Our bodies evolved to extract as much out of food as they could given its previous scarceness. Now that we have plenty of food to eat, we just balloon up and corn syrup definitely doesn't help things.
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High fructose corn syrup is tremendously bad for you, yet is heavily prevalent in nearly all of our food. Food manufacturers switched to it decades ago from standard sugar, because it was cheap. Frankly, just as we've been inclined to ban trans fats, I'd like to see high fructose corn syrup banned, as well.
I totally agree with you. I try to avoid it. I do think it's a key ingredient to our weight problem in the U.S.
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It wouldn't have anything to do with people living more sedentary lifestyles, perchance?
And portion sizes. They have grown tremendously during the past 40 or so years. Given that I don't think it's surprising that people have gained loads of weight during that time too.

I think high fructose corn syrup has a lot less to do with obesity than portion control does. For the vast majority of people it's very simple -- if you eat a lot and don't move much you will weigh a lot; if you eat just what you need and move quite a bit you will maintain a heathly weight.

(of course sometimes that's easier said than done though )
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I think high fructose corn syrup has a lot less to do with obesity than portion control does. F
I read, though, that there is a correlation between HFCS and overeating. HFCS is an artificial substance that the body does not know how to process well. It goes straight to the liver which then secretes enzymes that tell the body to store fat, while at the same time blocking whatever it is that lets the body know that it's full so that people keep eating beyond the point of fullness. So it's a double whammy--store fat and keep eating. I'm sorry that's not a very scientific explanation Maybe melon will come back and make sense of it for us.
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The availability of food has never been greater.
And fresh food, too, has never been in greater abundance. Fresh food is the key to good health. Although overseas is apparently not as plentiful as here, which is almost criminal. A friend of mine went to the US about 2 years ago and was repulsed at the state of your average supermarket. She's not fussy and will eat a combination of good and rubbish foods, but she was surprised and disgusted at the lack of fresh options in the average US supermarket and the sheer number of aisles of rubbish processed garbage in its place. The US has the environment for great agriculture, so where is the net result? You can't be exporting all of it! On the flip side of all of this is our sorry state of affairs here, for example. We're as fat as you but have an excellent standard in fresh produce. We also don't use high fructose corn syrup. I'd never heard of it outside FYM. Sport is a national religion, but we're fat. I think we're 3rd in the world behind the US and the UK. Not bad for such a small population.
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Ketchup in any form disgusts me, to be frank.
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I read, though, that there is a correlation between HFCS and overeating. HFCS is an artificial substance that the body does not know how to process well. It goes straight to the liver which then secretes enzymes that tell the body to store fat, while at the same time blocking whatever it is that lets the body know that it's full so that people keep eating beyond the point of fullness. So it's a double whammy--store fat and keep eating. I'm sorry that's not a very scientific explanation Maybe melon will come back and make sense of it for us.
While I'm not a fan of HFCS I think it's a major cop out to blame it for obesity problems. I suspect if identical twins ate exactly the same amount of the same food (and got a similar amount of exercise), except one twin got HFCS and one didn't, the difference in weight after a year would be only a few lbs. While over years this could certainly add up, it isn't what causes 15-year-old kids to weigh 300 lbs.
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Pretty much all of the meat and dairy I eat these days is organic. Frankly, it just tastes better and I can noticeably digest it better too.
Agreed. The (admittedly few) times I've been able to eat organic foods, I've really noticed a difference for the better.

Unfortunately when I lived on my own, I couldn't afford organic (it's a LOT more expensive than the mass-produced garbage, at least here) since I was going to school and buying groceries on a part-time job's pay as well as my student loan when my job didn't pay enough. Now that I live with my parents and no longer buy my own groceries, they won't pay the extra costs when they go out to the market.

I guess I just have to wait until I'm out on my own and working a good job until I get to eat the tastiest foods.
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HFCS is an artificial substance that the body does not know how to process well. It goes straight to the liver which then secretes enzymes that tell the body to store fat, while at the same time blocking whatever it is that lets the body know that it's full so that people keep eating beyond the point of fullness.
Yes, the fructose in HFCS has those effects, but so does fructose from honey or fruit--it has nothing to do with HFCS being artificial. Unlike with glucose metabolism, the enzyme needed to break down fructose is found only in the liver, so the process of fructose metabolism doesn't increase insulin production (which is why it doesn't dampen appetite) and effectively gets a jump-start on glycolysis (which is why it drives up blood triglycerides).

Those are good reasons not to consume large amounts of fructose, but it's doubtful whether HFCS is particularly worse than ordinary sugar in that regard--ordinary sugar is 50% fructose and 50% glucose, whereas HFCS is usually 55% fructose and 45% glucose. It's really not much of a difference. The main problem is that we eat too much processed food and so much of it has added sweeteners, whether sugar or HFCS or whatever--that, plus we eat (and drink) too much, period, as indra pointed out.
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A friend of mine went to the US about 2 years ago and was repulsed at the state of your average supermarket. She's not fussy and will eat a combination of good and rubbish foods, but she was surprised and disgusted at the lack of fresh options in the average US supermarket and the sheer number of aisles of rubbish processed garbage in its place.
I've never seen an Aussie supermarket so I don't know what her standard for comparison was like, but unless you're talking lower-end supermarkets, I don't think it's hard at all to find a good variety of produce here. At the Kroger (a lower-mid-range supermarket chain) down the street from us, we can get more than a dozen different kinds of greens, 3 or 4 varieties of summer squash, half a dozen kinds of potatoes, root veggies from daikon to kohlrabi to turnips, eggplants and okra and broccoli and several kinds of mushrooms, half a dozen kinds of chiles and apples and citrus plus tons of other fruits and probably a dozen kinds of fresh herbs, etc. etc. ...True, not much of it is organic (generally you have to pay through your teeth for that here) and if you're looking for something more "exotic" for e.g. some Indian recipe or something you might not find it, but I really don't think it's hard to find plentiful produce at fairly reasonable prices here. Heck, even Wal-Mart has most all that stuff. Again, the big exception to this would be lower-end chains like Aldi--there you often will find only about a dozen kinds of fresh vegetables...unfortunately, many poorer folks can't afford much else.

We get most of our vegetables, and a lot of our meat too, from our local farmer's market (and our own garden), except in winter when it's closed--the variety's not nearly as big as the supermarket's, but everything's locally grown, cheap, and quite a lot of it is organic. I actually just watched a short documentary the other day about a group of people in northern Minnesota who committed to feeding their families for the entire winter on almost entirely local foods (plus a few staples like flour, oil etc.) by canning and dehydrating summer garden produce, then storing long-keeping veggies like potatoes, carrots, winter squash etc. in their cellars...it was really quite inspiring, and we're tinkering with the idea of drawing up a plan with the kids to try a somewhat-less-all-out version of that ourselves next year. So much of the fresh produce sold in this country is flown in or trucked cross-country from (heavily irrigated) CA or Central America, which is just crazy...it's so inefficient and unsustainable, whether the produce is organic or not.
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