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Old 02-22-2008, 05:23 PM   #106
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oh fuck off.

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Pussy. It's true and you know it. Sorry if you were offended. Hillary lost because of her personality end of story. Everyone hates her.

Hmmmm, I don't recall making any personal remarks about you prior either Irvine.
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Old 02-22-2008, 05:25 PM   #107
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It's true and you know it. Sorry if you were offended. Hillary lost because of her personality end of story. Everyone hates her.
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yeah. i bet she's a slut and a whore too.
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Alright guys, cut it out, or the thread gets closed. Now.
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Hmmmm, I don't recall making any personal remarks about you prior either Irvine.


this obviously isn't personal.

you used a generic, unoriginal slur to describe a female candidate.

you may as have called Obama a n*gger or Liberman a kyke.

so, yeah, fuck off.
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You gotta agree that Obama was making more noise than McCaine.
Actually I don't. I think McCain was much more prominent. McCain-Feingold, public opposition to torture, talk show rounds - hell, he's been on The Daily Show more than any other guest, I think. Given that you rate McCain a 7 and Romney a 5, the most I'd give Obama in that respect would be a 6.
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Old 02-22-2008, 05:40 PM   #111
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He has been correct about the flawed operations in Iraq from the start.
He has taken the opposite stance from the party on issues.
He has taken unpopular stances and stood by his convictions.

I do not agree with McCain on everything - but I said somewhere else, even when I do not agree with him, I somehow do not mind hearing him present the case when I do not.

These are some of the things that pop into my mind before this is closed.
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Re: Give a Legitimate Argument For McCain, Against Obama

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That means talking about the actual issues.

Rules of this thread: No talk of experience. No talk of Obama being all about change and hope. No talk of supporters being insane.

Give real arguments.
i'm sorry, but in almost everything, experience is massive.

why can that not be used in this thread?
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Old 02-22-2008, 07:41 PM   #114
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oh forgot, my legitimate argument for McCain

I'd argue that Obama's lack of experience is exactly what is getting him elected.

I think it's a message to the boomers, albiet an early one. Your time is over. We're taking over early.

It's happening in the workplace for 5/7 years. It might happen in the white house. I have no idea what to expect with Obama. My fear is he'll his naivete' will be exploited by both the old school hill types and some of our traditional enemies. He will be tested. Hope he passes the test.
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Oh -- my legitimate argument for McCain:

Military background and understanding, in a time of war. Check.

Empathetic to the trigger puller AND the need for sacrifice AND the need for diplomacy.

The guy crosses the aisle better than any other. Check.

Wisdom of a hard boomer life/understanding of the mass of boomers and the nightmare of entitlements to ensue.

I like the straight talk.
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this obviously isn't personal.

you used a generic, unoriginal slur to describe a female candidate.

you may as have called Obama a n*gger or Liberman a kyke.

so, yeah, fuck off.
I reserve the right to call Hillary a cold hearted bitch, and Bush a stupid prick, any time I feel like it....would you honestly have objected if someone said something 10 times as bad regarding, say, Ann Coulter?
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Re: oh forgot, my legitimate argument for McCain

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I have no idea what to expect with Obama. My fear is he'll his naivete' will be exploited by both the old school hill types and some of our traditional enemies. He will be tested. Hope he passes the test.
same here.

Hope is something

I might gamble on when

I am trying a new recipe

timer goes off -
cross fingers
and open the oven door
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Oh -- my legitame argument for McCain:

Military background and understanding, in a time of war. Check.

Empathetic to the trigger puller AND the need for sacrifice AND the need for diplomacy.

The guy crosses the aisle better than any other. Check.

Wisdom of a hard boomer life/understanding of the mass of boomers and the nightmare of entitlements to ensue.

I like the straight talk.
He wants to stay in Iraq for 100 more years. He feels that what we've done has worked in most areas. Once again, experience clearly does not equal judgment. His strategy for Iraq is absolutely ridiculous. Sending more troops will not help the situation. We've already sent soldiers over for more tours of duty than they should serve. We don't have enough body armor and equipment to protect the troops already there. More information on that is in this article.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...our-view_x.htm
We're spending almost $3 billion a week in Iraq, money that is being taken away from social programs, education, humanitarian aid to other countries, etc. We're borrowing money from Saudi Arabia and over a billion dollars a week from our biggest economic competitor, China. That could cause serious problems in the future. When we're relying on another nation for funding, they'll have a lot more influence on our foreign policy. Obama has a workable plan that will allow us to begin to withdraw troops from Iraq without leaving it to completely fend for itself. I talked more in detail about it in the thread about reasons for choosing Obama over McCain, so I'll just a post the link to the war policy here instead. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/ I will agree with you wholeheartedly that he is much more bipartisan in his past record of working with Democrats and Republicans, and I applaud him for that. Also, while we're going to have more "older" Americans than ever with the baby boomers beginning to move towards retirement and/or social security age, the younger generation always has to be the biggest focus of the government for the simple fact that we'll be the people running in and the rest of the country within a matter of mere years. Our social security and Medicare systems for seniors are in shambles and desperate need of reform, but I feel Obama has a plan that can accomplish that that is sensible and will begin to fix the serious problems in that area. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/socialsecurity/
I have never even been able to find a policy change of McCain on this issue. If he's content to have the system stay as it is, than he will not be able to connect with baby boomers and seniors as well as many expect. All of the older adults that I know and the sentiments of all those I've read articles about or seen on news reports about the subject of social security/Medicare for seniors rightfully want a reform.
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Old 02-22-2008, 08:32 PM   #119
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Iraq for 50 for sho. Hopefully not 100. And I'm talking social and economic reform, with the backing of a military presence.

Can we really change the middle east to sort of a modern western way of thinking? Iraq would be our best shot at this moment.
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You can't afford to stay there for 50 more years.

Are you willing to bankrupt your country for theirs?
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